[Coldstuff] ColdHell

[Frank Crowell]

Is it possible to turn ColdHell into an OSI (Open Source), so that the
license is clearer?  The license question has come up before.  Several years
ago I tried to get clarification on ColdHell with Inindo and he pointed to
you.
But I have told other people that the license status for Coldhell was
"unknown" -- sort of like the whole LambdaMOO database.

ColdHell is still the only publicly available database for Cold that has all
the machinery for creating hack-n-slash muds. By that I mean, a person could
be fighting mobs Diku or LP style this afternoon with very little
modification.

For a while both Inindo and I ran a ColdHell version and in fact hooked our
muds together so I could run around between the servers.

Going back to OSI-- doesn't matter if the license is GPL, LGPL, Berkeley or
some other of the many OSI-qualified licenses.

Fact is that ColdHell works but most people don't even know it exists.  The
Pueblo stuff is also interesting, but unfortunately unless the Open Source
version of Pueblo comes out someday, then some other thing will have to
replace Pueblo.

I see a couple of possibilties at this point.   One of course is to give
ColdHell an Open Source license and have a development team go through and
do some bug fixes and figure out what to do about the Pueblo support.  Since
fewer and fewer people have Pueblo today, the alternatives should be
considered.

The other possibility is to create a branch -- let's call it ColdHell 2.
The previous development team gives license to the new team to create a
branch that is under OSI, to credit the original creator/creators, but to
also allow Coldhell 2 to evolve in new directions.






----- Original Message -----
From: <michael@mudge.com>
To: <coldstuff@cold.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Coldstuff] ColdHell


> Very old stuff, indeed!
> ColdHell is a modification of Cold Paradigm by Robert Bradley ("Inindo").
> I wrote the original Cold Paradigm, and was never completely finished,
> although it could easily be turned into a very cool MUD.  It also was
> extremely Pueblo-enhanced (significantly more than anything else you find
on
> the Pueblo MUD lists).
>
> You're welcome to use the core, provided you get Inindo's permission.  He
can
> be found on my new MUD, Epoch.  Let me know if you want a character or
would
> be interested in it's development.
>
> - Michael "Kipp" Mudge
>
> On Tue, 28 May 2002, "Jon A. Lambert" wrote
>
> >
> > Does anyone know what the license restrictions are on the
> > ColdHell database?
> >
> > This is all I could find in the textdump:
> >     // Unless otherwise noted, all code in this database
> >     // is Copyright 1996-1997
> >     // Michael Mudge
> >     // 4314 Wetzel Rd. Apt. A-8
> >     // Liverpool, NY 13090
> >
> > Is this thing the same thing that was called Kipp's Core
> > a few years back?
> >
> > Anyways I've run into a few people who've expressed an interest
> > in "Cold things" and want to tell them whether they'd be wasting
> > their time with this or not.  They aren't commercial people
> > either, but still.  Anyone have any info on it?  Docs?  Slides?
> > Comments? Forensics? blah blah?
> >
> > --
> > --* Jon A. Lambert - TychoMUD        Email:jlsysinc@ix.netcom.com *--
> > --* Mud Server Developer's Page <http://tychomud.home.netcom.com> *--
> > --* If I had known it was harmless, I would have killed it myself.*--
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cold-Coldstuff mailing list
> > Cold-Coldstuff@cold.org
> > http://web.cold.org/mailman/listinfo/cold-coldstuff
> _______________________________________________
> Cold-Coldstuff mailing list
> Cold-Coldstuff@cold.org
> http://web.cold.org/mailman/listinfo/cold-coldstuff