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ok, i got the thing about the variables, although i think i want to avoid effectively having two variables with the same name on one object ... now to these frobs. i understand how to use them and how to restrict a method to be frob-only, but what i don't get is why to make the effort. what is the advantage of a frobbed call? btw, how is the status of this project, because it is very cool, but also seems to be a bit dead/sleeping regards robert