From kira@cgi101.com Thu Jul 21 10:56:01 2005 Received: from new.cgi101.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id j6LFu0Pw001886 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:56:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (kira@localhost) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id j6LFu0ns001882 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:56:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: new.cgi101.com: kira owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:55:59 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jacqueline D. Hamilton" To: moo-cows@moo-cows.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [Moo-cows] test X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:56:01 -0000 Testfnord. Jacqueline Hamilton (kira@cgi101.com) Webmaster, CGI101 (http://www.cgi101.com/) From kippersandcustard@gmail.com Tue Aug 2 05:05:15 2005 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.198]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id j72A5C4h021393 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 05:05:13 -0500 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id l1so895600nzf for ; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 03:05:12 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=hz3nW/Zb1bn+RaTcDw5FTaJuW/z3I6ds6H+awxhlAJYftRQpltwMljEryrsqZoUZbApRCcJge0wsZ8NwB93RE0IYs9mkBOsmYkIhn517fkn5DJYKLShZrulC2+F1NnJBN3pAG6Wv0/EZLqjrmTju4rFflvfYyc0VMv32d8HUk8s= Received: by 10.37.15.59 with SMTP id s59mr276270nzi; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 01:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.158.12 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 01:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3de7a8e2050802015917ea4d18@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 09:59:48 +0100 From: Ian Shortman To: moo-cows@moo-cows.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6233_30217507.1122973188338" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [Moo-cows] PythonMOO X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ian Shortman List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 10:05:15 -0000 ------=_Part_6233_30217507.1122973188338 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Just a quick note to let any readers know about PythonMOO. We are currently= =20 a rather small MOO, but we are trying to develop. We have many features wich are unavailable on other MOOs, and we need=20 developers and builders! Please visit us today at http://pythonmoo.co.uk:8478/ or MOO to=20 pythonmoo.co.uk 8477. Many thanks --=20 Ian Shortman=20 Give me your money. And possibly your car. Bloggin' away: http://livejournal.com/~kipper2258/ ------=_Part_6233_30217507.1122973188338 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Just a quick note to let any readers know about PythonMOO. We are curr= ently a rather small MOO, but we are trying to develop.
We have many features wich are unavailable on other MOOs, and we need = developers and builders!
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------=_Part_6233_30217507.1122973188338-- From neil.fraser@gmail.com Wed Sep 14 10:22:07 2005 Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.204]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id j8EFM1CH021885 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:22:01 -0500 Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a4so79761nfc for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:22:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=dv6bVDYUJZ2BgKrYf4OEohcE4xoFemjtcRJ3umKw46iSHHdqDGhZnDiXvqUkHbQTkeTsQxsEimK9xumqp2I2cUrBqiQdvDCvIMEBQrdMFwGGrUa8SPLCGHgtkZEov4TKkIJdpqWviVd7w6MjJtr79QEmZ0mbURUBfm9DZ2T/mRE= Received: by 10.48.49.9 with SMTP id w9mr42962nfw; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:22:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.49.20 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:21:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <416401b0050914082178cfc804@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:21:59 +0100 From: Neil Fraser To: moo-cows@moo-cows.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by new.cgi101.com id j8EFM1CH021885 Subject: [Moo-cows] Moo Database Browser X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: neil.fraser@gmail.com List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:22:07 -0000 This message was originally written back in July, right after Kenny's MOO-Cows list died. Apparently everything has been transferred to Kira's server. Is everyone subscribed? Anyway, here's the long-delayed followup: Neil Fraser wrote: > I just wanted to let you know that there are a couple of new tools available > for reading and browsing Moo Databases directly from disk: > [...] > Let me know if you have suggestions for improvements or ideas for other applications. Thanks for all the great comments (both on and off the list), it was good to hear. * A segmentation fault caused by scanning recycled objects has been corrected. * A quoting error when dealing with nested data structures has also been corrected. * A compiled DOS version of the command-line browser is now available. So you can click and run on a DOS or Windows box. I've encountered several people (not on this list) who were nervous about committing their data to the Moo architecture (we are not an industry standard). Accordingly, I've written a conversion tool in Python which reads in a Moo database and prints out XML. This tool may help in such situations since they can be assured that their data would always be available in XML. It also opens up possibilities for other exo-Moo applications, since XML is significantly easier to deal with than the Moo's format. Sean Davis pointed out that there is no documentation whatsoever regarding the Moo's native db file format. I built my applications by reading the Moo server's source code -- thank goodness for open source. In case anyone else is tempted to manipulate the db file, I've written detailed documentation which should make the format easier to work with. I've also added a LambdaCore and a JHCore to the surfable databases in the demo. I'll add a CanCore (Moo Canada's core) as soon as we exorcise the WAIFs from our database. All this is available at: http://neil.fraser.name/software/moobrowser/ -- Neil Fraser, Scotland http://neil.fraser.name From neil.fraser@gmail.com Mon Oct 3 09:40:45 2005 Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.200]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id j93Eegg6009024 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 09:40:43 -0500 Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x4so133666nfb for ; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 07:40:41 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=okQifh1/2K/UxDGrVFHynJdSjT8wElg6LUJdxZZW20U0RGjKTLqj3H3+WV72KFB50iBo9kfh48DZUZgP4WQryWuDhOywiqLrC4YoI5kSPCej7vLTafIDTJ3OJyPBO5RD4NWpmZCVC/F5RhvXyEveQKU/KjT9yRQWHDa428fajIM= Received: by 10.48.226.17 with SMTP id y17mr225948nfg; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 07:40:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.49.20 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 07:40:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <416401b00510030740l3742cd93t@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 15:40:41 +0100 From: Neil Fraser To: moo-cows@moo-cows.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by new.cgi101.com id j93Eegg6009024 Subject: [Moo-cows] Ping? X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Neil Fraser List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:40:46 -0000 Am I the only one subscribed to this list? Who else is here? -- Neil Fraser, Scotland http://neil.fraser.name From kira@lightsphere.com Mon Oct 3 10:08:59 2005 Received: from miniMac.local.oplink.net ([209.223.46.80]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id j93F8qaE012730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:08:53 -0500 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:08:51 -0500 From: Jackie Hamilton To: moo-cows@moo-cows.com Message-ID: <20051003100851.583312.36cbf1af@lightsphere.com> In-Reply-To: <416401b00510030740l3742cd93t@mail.gmail.com> References: <416401b00510030740l3742cd93t@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] Ping? Mime-Version: 1.0 (GMessage framework 1.3.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: GyazMail version 1.3.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 15:08:59 -0000 On Mon, 3 Oct 2005 15:40:41 +0100, Neil Fraser wrote: > Am I the only one subscribed to this list? > Who else is here? I'm here. :) There are 80 subscribers on this list, though I know some of those are duplicate subs. Thanks for posting the MOO db browser, Neil. Looks quite useful; I've been meaning to try it out. There are often times when something's been deleted from my main MOO db and I'd like to recover from backup, but don't want to hassle with rebooting the backup db just to get the one or two deleted items. Anyone else here doing any cool new stuff with MOO? :) I've written a flash client for MOO (an example of which can be seen at http://www.harpers-tale.com/flash/), though it required rather a lot of in-MOO hacking to make it work (since the connection type is binary, and it's in XML). One of these days I'll get the code packaged up for download... I think MOO makes a great alternative to the flashcom server, for interactive flash apps. -- Jackie Hamilton kira@lightsphere.com From groucho7@operamail.com Mon Oct 3 20:32:14 2005 Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id j941Vnj5020460 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 20:31:50 -0500 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 6DF201800297 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 01:31:33 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.133) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 4 Oct 2005 01:31:33 -0000 Received: by ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3BA3423D1B; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 01:31:33 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Gary Foiles" To: "General MOO discussion." Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 20:31:33 -0500 Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] Ping? Received: from [71.50.20.89] by ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for groucho7@operamail.com; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 20:31:33 -0500 X-Originating-Ip: 71.50.20.89 X-Originating-Server: ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20051004013133.3BA3423D1B@ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by new.cgi101.com id j941Vnj5020460 X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 01:32:14 -0000 Yes! I'm subscribed! And I also appreciated the Moo DB browser information. Currently, I am doing absolutely nothing interesting whatsoever, but if I do, you'll be among the first several hundred to know. ;-> Gary Foiles Sekiji at Harper's Tale MOO Gary at Lambda MOO groucho7@operamail.com -- _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 8 at http://www.opera.com Powered by Outblaze From dixiecountry@yahoo.com Mon Oct 3 21:55:59 2005 Received: from web32605.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32605.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.232]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with SMTP id j942tvLI027687 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 21:55:58 -0500 Received: (qmail 4632 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Oct 2005 02:55:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GzGSfm0FgLwIPSxqBppZM5Gd5g0SxU9fsJPRwCU+jVnbHas4WcDKsn4SZ8sI91tbMO35TwACs90ZFDiSCbT82dP0rnbJ4p6hgle1SZ4rAOneJkEwiUA7Xwmiy59TU9rX0E/XjzEMadpUDYO1QZN3DBoAyPSEN3nE4qPauFZucBA= ; Message-ID: <20051004025557.4630.qmail@web32605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.69.139.134] by web32605.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 19:55:56 PDT Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 19:55:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Dixie Chick To: Moo-cows@moo-cows.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-375600191-1128394556=:4591" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Cc: Subject: [Moo-cows] Re: Ping X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 02:56:00 -0000 --0-375600191-1128394556=:4591 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I am here as well. Luckily, there are quite a few around still. Glad to see a few old friends keeping in touch :) L.R. Thomas aka. Dixie-Chick Co-Arch of Phantasy World --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-375600191-1128394556=:4591 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I am here as well. Luckily, there are quite a few around still.
 
Glad to see a few old friends keeping in touch :)
 
L.R. Thomas
     aka. Dixie-Chick
Co-Arch of Phantasy World
 

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Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-375600191-1128394556=:4591-- From cobblers@pobox.com Mon Oct 3 22:14:53 2005 Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.202.59]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id j943Ekp2029124 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 22:14:46 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.5] (c-24-16-32-124.hsd1.wa.comcast.net[24.16.32.124]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with ESMTP id <2005100403143901400pttn3e>; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 03:14:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schumakers5 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <416401b00510030740l3742cd93t@mail.gmail.com> References: <416401b00510030740l3742cd93t@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 20:14:31 -0700 To: Neil Fraser From: Bob Schumaker Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] Ping? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Cc: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 03:14:54 -0000 Nope, you're not alone. Although it does echo in here a bit, sometimes :-) -bs -- ====================================================================== Think Different. Bob Schumaker This life is a test, it is only a test. If cobblers@[pobox].com this had been a real life, you would have http://www.cobblers.net/ been told where to go and what to do. PGP Fingerprint: A722 69D6 3C6A 6A1D 6715 99D6 599C 1904 73D1 DBC8 From compgeek13@gmail.com Fri Oct 28 18:49:23 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id j9SNnKVY031579 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 18:49:21 -0500 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-3.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 95611874 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:49:14 -0600 Message-ID: <003d01c5dc1a$34b64cb0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:49:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [Moo-cows] help needed please! X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 23:49:24 -0000 Hay all, I am just starting MOO. As I already know a few object oriented languages, I was wondering if there was some example code that I could look at. Also, is there an up-to-date documentation? all I can find is like lambda 1.+ when I have like 4.0 or 4.1 not surw which. It would really make a difference. Also, can someone tell me how to do the following? Show obvious exits in and out of a room create doors that can be open and shut create human-like objects. e.g monsters and mobs. Thanks bunches, Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] From neil.fraser@gmail.com Sat Oct 29 10:48:12 2005 Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.192]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id j9TFm1tQ001539 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 10:48:05 -0500 Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x37so207811nfc for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 08:47:59 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OupIWq+D4m+J8H8skIbJWhODRbubpOmiuFKPIEjp90X2/W2fjrNEizReYm9qj57Wy8ryqStDRVBp96ktKrseiACsDBmGNZjs8fmqty7WYljORd5QKo0MSbi7YThqWl39ubY7JS30zOK9aFFH8wgT+SnE5/+9LNQp+S/yvlv00f0= Received: by 10.48.80.4 with SMTP id d4mr470773nfb; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 08:47:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.49.20 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 08:47:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <416401b00510290847o4070d69bm@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 16:47:59 +0100 From: Neil Fraser To: "General MOO discussion." Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help needed please! In-Reply-To: <003d01c5dc1a$34b64cb0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <003d01c5dc1a$34b64cb0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by new.cgi101.com id j9TFm1tQ001539 X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:48:14 -0000 On 29/10/05, tyler wrote: > I am just starting MOO. Welcome! > As I already know a few object oriented languages, I was wondering if there > was some example code that I could look at. There are lots of Moo programing tutorials out there. Check out http://dmoz.org/Games/Online/MUDs/MOOs/Programming/ > Also, is there an up-to-date > documentation? all I can find is like lambda 1.+ when I have like 4.0 or 4.1 > not surw which. It would really make a difference. Ok, I think there's a misunderstanding here. A Moo is composed of two parts: a server and a database. The server is the unchanging compiled C code that drives everything, it hasn't been updated in ten years, since version 1.8 or so. It is *extremely* well documented: ftp://ftp.lambda.moo.mud.org/pub/MOO/html/ProgrammersManual_toc.html The database can be one of any number of databases, LambdaCore, enCore, CanCore, Minimal, etc: http://dmoz.org/Games/Online/MUDs/MOOs/Core_Databases/ Each database has its own documentation, some better than others. I'm assuming that when you say "4.0 or 4.1" you are actually referring to somebody's database. > Also, can someone tell me how to do the following? > Show obvious exits in and out of a room > create doors that can be open and shut > create human-like objects. e.g monsters and mobs. This is independent of the low-level Moo server; it depends on whose database you are using. -- Neil Fraser, Scotland http://neil.fraser.name From compgeek13@gmail.com Sat Oct 29 11:04:30 2005 Received: from blowfish.brainstorminternet.net (blowfish.brainstorminternet.net [66.118.220.16]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id j9TG4OIC003515 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:04:24 -0500 Received: from haw29338 (160.196.118.66.brainstorminternet.net [66.118.196.160]) by blowfish.brainstorminternet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 74DBC7DB28 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 10:04:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <00b801c5dca2$6ec53dc0$0300a8c0@mesa.k12.co.us> From: "Tyler Littlefield" To: "General MOO discussion." References: <003d01c5dc1a$34b64cb0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <416401b00510290847o4070d69bm@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help needed please! Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 10:04:24 -0600 Organization: dataplus Worldwide MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Tyler Littlefield , "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 16:04:33 -0000 Hello, Thanks for the help. I was speaking of the lambda database, as I assume its what has all the player: and all those functions in it. correct me if I am wrong... I can't seem to find any documentation with up-to-date lambda information. Tyler Littlefield. Visit my site, for custom software and webpage design. We handle all of your computer-related needs with experience, professionalism, and much more. http://tysplace.the-leetest.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Fraser" To: "General MOO discussion." Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help needed please! > On 29/10/05, tyler wrote: >> I am just starting MOO. > > Welcome! > >> As I already know a few object oriented languages, I was wondering if >> there >> was some example code that I could look at. > > There are lots of Moo programing tutorials out there. Check out > http://dmoz.org/Games/Online/MUDs/MOOs/Programming/ > >> Also, is there an up-to-date >> documentation? all I can find is like lambda 1.+ when I have like 4.0 or >> 4.1 >> not surw which. It would really make a difference. > > Ok, I think there's a misunderstanding here. A Moo is composed of two > parts: a server and a database. The server is the unchanging compiled > C code that drives everything, it hasn't been updated in ten years, > since version 1.8 or so. It is *extremely* well documented: > ftp://ftp.lambda.moo.mud.org/pub/MOO/html/ProgrammersManual_toc.html > The database can be one of any number of databases, LambdaCore, > enCore, CanCore, Minimal, etc: > http://dmoz.org/Games/Online/MUDs/MOOs/Core_Databases/ > Each database has its own documentation, some better than others. I'm > assuming that when you say "4.0 or 4.1" you are actually referring to > somebody's database. > >> Also, can someone tell me how to do the following? >> Show obvious exits in and out of a room >> create doors that can be open and shut >> create human-like objects. e.g monsters and mobs. > > This is independent of the low-level Moo server; it depends on whose > database you are using. > > -- > Neil Fraser, Scotland > http://neil.fraser.name > > _______________________________________________ > Moo-cows mailing list > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows From kmelillo@dotheyknow.net Mon Oct 31 05:33:41 2005 Received: from mail12.opentransfer.com (mailout6.opentransfer.com [69.49.238.54]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with SMTP id j9VBXc1Z022435 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 05:33:38 -0600 Received: (qmail 13220 invoked by uid 399); 31 Oct 2005 11:33:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.102?) (68.83.188.184) by mail.opentransfer.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2005 11:33:01 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:32:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help needed please! From: Kevin Melillo To: "General MOO discussion." Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003d01c5dc1a$34b64cb0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:33:42 -0000 I have messed around with JHCore a bit, and it seems to be the one I like the most. For open/closed doors, I guess you could use a 'key' and just lock it, although that wouldn't allow you to stop people from looking through the door... I believe that all obvious exits are shown after the description is typed out. As for mobs, I don't know, I am not that advanced... On 10/28/05 7:49 PM, "tyler" wrote: > Hay all, > I am just starting MOO. > As I already know a few object oriented languages, I was wondering if there > was some example code that I could look at. Also, is there an up-to-date > documentation? all I can find is like lambda 1.+ when I have like 4.0 or 4.1 > not surw which. It would really make a difference. > Also, can someone tell me how to do the following? > Show obvious exits in and out of a room > create doors that can be open and shut > create human-like objects. e.g monsters and mobs. > Thanks bunches, > Tyler Littlefield. > Check out our website: > http://tysplace.the-leetest.net > check out my blog: > livejournal.com/~tylerrl > [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] > > > _______________________________________________ > Moo-cows mailing list > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows > From geocorona@yahoo.com Tue Nov 1 07:45:32 2005 Received: from web31801.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31801.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.64]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with SMTP id jA1DjUxn026502 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:45:30 -0600 Received: (qmail 6783 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Nov 2005 13:45:29 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jrBQNbgFW1IQHTCWINsQteQphW8jLfqAo6IV5p4Jgu0CmOzG1qveT2/hj+L1/I4F2dmZB25TqHxMx6ikoBYc+UT8VtbDG5CbGV5MywbNUF0hvHldMANZVSdPeh7WMpuSPnXB7Bs/NtOPR971Hbqo5LSvstSKbtEeGE0tbKlev0I= ; Message-ID: <20051101134529.6781.qmail@web31801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.106.181.178] by web31801.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 05:45:29 PST Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 05:45:29 -0800 (PST) From: George Hager Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help needed please! To: "General MOO discussion." In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 13:45:32 -0000 Most bots should be based on the "gendered object" or an ancestor of the "player object". Often, a "group of beings" can be created by making the bot gender "plural". --- Kevin Melillo wrote: > As for mobs, I don't know, I am not that > advanced... > > > On 10/28/05 7:49 PM, "tyler" > wrote: > > > Hay all, > > I am just starting MOO. __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From compgeek13@gmail.com Tue Nov 1 11:57:26 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jA1HvNGx028734 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:57:23 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-2.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 226500669 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 10:57:22 -0700 Message-ID: <008c01c5df0d$b9edb760$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." References: <20051101134529.6781.qmail@web31801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help needed please! Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 09:57:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:57:28 -0000 um... can you edxplain that a bit more? remember, I am just starting out. lol Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Hager" To: "General MOO discussion." Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 5:45 AM Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help needed please! > Most bots should be based on the "gendered object" or > an ancestor of the "player object". Often, a "group of > beings" can be created by making the bot gender > "plural". > > --- Kevin Melillo wrote: > > > As for mobs, I don't know, I am not that > > advanced... > > > > > > On 10/28/05 7:49 PM, "tyler" > > wrote: > > > > > Hay all, > > > I am just starting MOO. > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. > http://farechase.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Moo-cows mailing list > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows From geocorona@yahoo.com Sat Nov 5 17:54:11 2005 Received: from web31808.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31808.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.71]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with SMTP id jA5Ns8QN006504 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:54:09 -0600 Received: (qmail 43174 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Nov 2005 23:54:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IrBDnweorxDzoGkrlmPXHj85IetpnGn4OYlObYqWo7vp7Ro+eBsp4DifT4eIgzIFn+yLZ8s6eBM2QwS6pevXB3P/2I7t9ODrdEsvcCFVZNTsiQPG3Hr3qECb08HYrKVPibhyme+l7WhunBcalsK71LEHGrA4G0VaAiNpvWW+dXE= ; Message-ID: <20051105235408.43172.qmail@web31808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.211.233.85] by web31808.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 15:54:08 PST Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 15:54:08 -0800 (PST) From: George Hager Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help needed please! To: "General MOO discussion." In-Reply-To: <008c01c5df0d$b9edb760$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 23:54:12 -0000 Objects have properties. One of the properties that players and robots have is "gender". Properly written verbs will check the gender in order to conjugate the sentences you see on screen. So if a robot with a gender set to "female" attacks you, the message will read on screen as "She attacks you." If the gender is set to "plural", the message would appear as "They attack you." There is a lot to learn about in order to make this happen smoothly. It will take hours and hours of studying the MOO objects. --- tyler wrote: > um... can you edxplain that a bit more? remember, I > am just starting out. > lol > Tyler Littlefield. > features] > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Hager" > > Most bots should be based on the "gendered object" > > or an ancestor of the "player object". Often, a > > "group ofbeings" can be created by making the bot > > gender "plural". __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From jung@uib.no Sat Nov 5 19:01:33 2005 Received: from beci.com (www.the-b.org [66.148.239.44]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jA611R7d013839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 19:01:30 -0600 Received: from noralf.uib.no ([129.177.30.12] verified) by beci.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with ESMTPS id 4290866 for moo-cows@the-b.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 19:01:25 -0600 Received-SPF: pass receiver=beci.com; client-ip=129.177.30.12; envelope-from=jung@uib.no Received: from alfred.uib.no (smtp.uib.no) [129.177.30.120] by noralf.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EYYuN-0006Lw-3E; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 02:01:20 +0100 Received: from 117.84-48-30.nextgentel.com ([10.24.104.19]) [84.48.30.117] by smtp.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EYYuM-0003Y0-N0; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 02:01:18 +0100 Message-ID: <436D5680.2070202@uib.no> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 02:04:00 +0100 From: Daniel Jung User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Discussion related to the MOO platform." , encore Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on noralf X-Scanner: 0374ecae1783a49d6ba34d4462f6d201 http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: 0 hits, 8.0 required X-UiB-SpamReport: spamassassin found; X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Cc: Subject: [Moo-cows] unknown data type X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 01:01:34 -0000 Hi I have strings consisting of literal equivalents of value types. E.g., I get the string "INT" from somewhere, and I want to use that string in order to work on something else as INT. Now since I found no builtin `totype()' or anything else usefull (I may be blind though), I made a small verb to return the value. I only consider user-visible types. ------------------------------------- $string_utils:type_from_string() ------------------------------------- {string} = args; if (string == "INT") return INT; elseif (string == "OBJ") return OBJ; elseif (string == "STR") return STR; elseif (string == "ERR" || index(string, "E_")) return ERR; elseif (string == "LIST") return LIST; elseif (string == "FLOAT") return FLOAT; else return -1; endif ------------------------------------- I'm not really sure what to do in the ELSE statement. I want to return something when the argument is not in the range of known (or: permitted) types. Obviously, I don't want to return E_INVARG because of the test in line 8. I had "return #-1 ($nothing)" there first, but it broke tests like ;$string_utils:is_integer($string_utils:type_from_string()) and testing ;$string_utils:is_integer(tostr($string_utils:type_from_string())) was too bone head for my taste. So I decided to return -1 and rather test it with ;$string_utils:type_from_string() >= 0 That works. But is it pretty? And is it consistent with existing code and convention? I'm not really sure. I see that the server panics (or writes to errlog()) in a few cases where unknown values are encountered, but I cannot see how I could use that. On the other hand, slot 4 in function_info() returns -1 for "any type" and (as far as I can see) -2 for "I don't bother telling you". I definitely don't want to mix "any type" and "unknown type". Isn't there a convention for returning "no known type"? Some !TYPE_ANY or anything? I'm just a little confused. - Daniel From compgeek13@gmail.com Sat Nov 5 23:57:49 2005 Received: from starfish.brainstorminternet.net (starfish.brainstorminternet.net [66.118.220.14]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jA65vjKV009097 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 23:57:46 -0600 Received: from haw29338 (2.199.118.66.brainstorminternet.net [66.118.199.2]) by starfish.brainstorminternet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9997D14BFBB for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:57:45 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <007b01c5e297$0370cb70$1200a8c0@mesa.k12.co.us> From: "Tyler Littlefield" To: "General MOO discussion." References: <20051105235408.43172.qmail@web31808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help needed please! Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:57:47 -0700 Organization: dataplus Worldwide MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Tyler Littlefield , "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 05:57:49 -0000 yes, I am willing to do all of that. just as long as I can get it down. Tyler Littlefield. Visit my site, for custom software and webpage design. We handle all of your computer-related needs with experience, professionalism, and much more. http://tysplace.the-leetest.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Hager" To: "General MOO discussion." Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help needed please! > Objects have properties. One of the properties that > players and robots have is "gender". Properly written > verbs will check the gender in order to conjugate the > sentences you see on screen. > > So if a robot with a gender set to "female" attacks > you, the message will read on screen as "She attacks > you." > > If the gender is set to "plural", the message would > appear as "They attack you." > > There is a lot to learn about in order to make this > happen smoothly. It will take hours and hours of > studying the MOO objects. > > --- tyler wrote: > >> um... can you edxplain that a bit more? remember, I >> am just starting out. >> lol >> Tyler Littlefield. >> features] >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "George Hager" > >> > Most bots should be based on the "gendered object" >> > or an ancestor of the "player object". Often, a >> > "group ofbeings" can be created by making the bot >> > gender "plural". > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Moo-cows mailing list > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows From neil.fraser@gmail.com Sun Nov 6 16:16:15 2005 Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.205]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jA6MGAJj014663 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 16:16:10 -0600 Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x37so60860nfc for ; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 14:16:09 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=j/FLD1BEMvg7Lja+0GptSvk6KffQD++JA25owkOUm45KtUJKHNaz0y+WX2IGwJOlSr/H9n4XWaI+AyUtIOY/+W2IDi+Bd1o5sflHxk8PMUbYyLtYnAmu5E6Tr1zEOVI3DnkUD645Z0/CAG1xDOFTiE/6mCwV+RtDYiRH04Mdf/c= Received: by 10.48.49.8 with SMTP id w8mr567099nfw; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 14:16:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.49.7 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 14:16:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <416401b00511061416l687caabey@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 17:16:09 -0500 From: Neil Fraser To: "General MOO discussion." Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] unknown data type In-Reply-To: <436D5680.2070202@uib.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <436D5680.2070202@uib.no> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by new.cgi101.com id jA6MGAJj014663 X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 22:16:16 -0000 On 05/11/05, Daniel Jung wrote: > {string} = args; > if (string == "INT") > return INT; > elseif (string == "OBJ") > return OBJ; > elseif (string == "STR") > return STR; > elseif (string == "ERR" || index(string, "E_")) > return ERR; > elseif (string == "LIST") > return LIST; > elseif (string == "FLOAT") > return FLOAT; > else > return -1; > endif I'll assume that you are intentionally forgetting about the obsolete 'NUM' type; same as 'INT'. The above code is simple, clear and perfectly good. If I were programming it, I might increase my job security and use the following: {string} = args; if ( index(string, "E_") == 1) return ERR; endif matrix = {{"INT", INT}, {"OBJ", OBJ}, {"STR", STR}, {"ERR", ERR}, {"LIST", LIST}, {"FLOAT", FLOAT}}; match = $list_utils:assoc(string, matrix); if (match) return match[2]; else return -1; endif Or, if security wasn't an issue: {string} = args; if ( index(string, "E_") == 1) return ERR; endif try return eval("return "+string+";")[2]; except (ANY) return -1; endtry Frankly, I think your code is better than either of these, but I'm just spitting out other options. > I'm not really sure what to do in the ELSE statement. I want to return > something when the argument is not in the range of known (or: permitted) > types. Obviously, I don't want to return E_INVARG because of the test in > line 8. I had "return #-1 ($nothing)" there first, but it broke tests like Another strategy is to use: raise(E_INVARG, "Invalid type", string); Then use try/catch to recover from these errors. This is the Java way of doing things. > On the other hand, slot 4 in function_info() returns -1 for "any > type" and (as far as I can see) -2 for "I don't bother telling you". I > definitely don't want to mix "any type" and "unknown type". > > Isn't there a convention for returning "no known type"? Some !TYPE_ANY > or anything? The whole magic-global variable thing with INT/OBJ/LIST/etc is very C-like and was added by Pavel right at the beginning of the Moo server development. In retrospect a far better approach would have been to simply define #0.STR to be 2, thus $STR would be used in place of STR. That's the Moo way of doing things. After all, server-side command matching doesn't get compared with AMBIGUOUS_MATCH, it returns something which equals $ambiguous_match. That would have been the right way to do type identification. -- Neil Fraser, Programmer & Wizard http://neil.fraser.name From jung@uib.no Sun Nov 6 17:21:30 2005 Received: from noralf.uib.no (noralf.uib.no [129.177.30.12]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jA6NLPZw021539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 17:21:26 -0600 Received: from alfred.uib.no (smtp.uib.no) [129.177.30.120] by noralf.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EYtp5-0005uR-CC; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 00:21:16 +0100 Received: from 117.84-48-30.nextgentel.com ([10.24.104.19]) [84.48.30.117] by smtp.uib.no for moo-cows@moo-cows.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EYtp5-0002SW-2B; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 00:21:15 +0100 Message-ID: <436E908D.6000009@uib.no> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 00:23:57 +0100 From: Daniel Jung User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "General MOO discussion." Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] unknown data type References: <436D5680.2070202@uib.no> <416401b00511061416l687caabey@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <416401b00511061416l687caabey@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on noralf X-Scanner: 00618c18527bf67a36be953bd3f8499f http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: 0 hits, 8.0 required X-UiB-SpamReport: spamassassin found; X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 23:21:31 -0000 Hi Neil, and thanks for your answer. Neil Fraser wrote: > I'll assume that you are intentionally forgetting about the obsolete > 'NUM' type; same as 'INT'. True. I don't use it; but it wouldn't harm to specify ("INT" || "NUM"). > {string} = args; maybe if (typeof(string) != STR) return -1; raise (E_INVARG, "Invalid argument", string); endif to prevent the index() from throwing an error... I had that, but cut down the code for clarity before posting it. > if ( index(string, "E_") == 1) > return ERR; > endif or if (is_member(string, $code_utils.error_names)) return ERR; endif to prevent "E_BOGUS" etc. from returning ERR. We should have something like $code_utils.type_names with sorted entries ;$code_utils.type_names[1] => "INT" ;$code_utils.type_names[2] => "OBJ" (and insert clear, none, catch, finally, to get FLOAT's position right) but then the global pain in the behind is the discrepancy between 1-based db lists (moo) and 0-based server lists (c). Would have been sweet to return just the list's entry position, or 'false' or -1 or whatever when not found. I'm still dreaming of a tenth value type, an "associated label/value list" value, which, in this case, could look like << "INT" => INT; "OBJ" => OBJ >> etc. and then return $code_utils.type_names[string] | -1; without having to go through :assoc etc. > return eval("return "+string+";")[2]; Thank you very much for that line, Neil. I learned something here. As for security, task_perms would have to be non-wiz, but the verb should demand wiz perms to be initiated, or something. Or am I missing something here? > except (ANY) > return -1; > endtry So I reckon you're not opposed to just pick -1 as a type_not_found equivalent? > Another strategy is to use: > raise(E_INVARG, "Invalid type", string); > Then use try/catch to recover from these errors. This is the Java way > of doing things. I had an error raise there before, but removed it... :) It didn't seem right to let the server do something the verb could do (sorry for sounding naïve; I hope you get what I'm trying to say here). And I am reluctant to use try/except to handle errors I actually expect or force myself... but maybe the better way to do it. I should work on my Java skills. > In retrospect a far better approach would have been to > simply define #0.STR to be 2, thus $STR would be used in place of STR. Agree. And, IMHO, it would have been better to not use #0 as the system object, and 0 as the INT equivalent. Again, thanks for your valuable input. (pun intended) - Daniel From jung@uib.no Sun Nov 6 18:57:44 2005 Received: from beci.com (www.the-b.org [66.148.239.44]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jA70vct1001563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 18:57:39 -0600 Received: from noralf.uib.no ([129.177.30.12] verified) by beci.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with ESMTPS id 4292912 for moo-cows@the-b.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 18:57:38 -0600 Received-SPF: pass receiver=beci.com; client-ip=129.177.30.12; envelope-from=jung@uib.no Received: from alfred.uib.no (smtp.uib.no) [129.177.30.120] by noralf.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EYvKJ-0004Yg-7X; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 01:57:36 +0100 Received: from 117.84-48-30.nextgentel.com ([10.24.104.19]) [84.48.30.117] by smtp.uib.no for moo-cows@the-b.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EYvKI-0002oW-O0; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 01:57:34 +0100 Message-ID: <436EA721.30907@uib.no> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 02:00:17 +0100 From: Daniel Jung User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Discussion related to the MOO platform." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on noralf X-Scanner: 9d3c7cba7065ff196a5217a1b334436d http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: 0 hits, 8.0 required X-UiB-SpamReport: spamassassin found; X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Cc: Subject: [Moo-cows] default value type X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 00:57:45 -0000 Hi A collegue of mine once set the email addresses on the $network object through a web formular. Somehow, CRLF was send along, and the value was not coerced into a STR, but left (and set) as a one-element LIST. This messed up the MOO entirely; no passwords were sent anymore etc., because the calling verbs in the $mail_agent expect STR and don't catch errors. My collegue works almost entirely in web, and had no idea what was going on. If he had been given a warning like You just set the property to being a LIST, while the MOO expects a STR. Please check if you are sure about that. he would have understood though, and would have been able to change it. So I looked into this automatic warning. When setting a property (apart from .description, which is a known "type shifter", and which I have thus filtered out), I check if the parent's (ancestors') properties are of the same type. If there is a discrepancy, I warn the user and say, e.g., This property's type (LIST) is not what the parent's property's is (STR). This may cause conflicts in verbs where this property is called. Please check if this is correct. Works. But what do I do with native properties, when there are no parents to compare to, like the $network email addresses? So I'm looking for a default/expected value type from somewhere. But there isn't. It would have been nice to have this implemented in the server; ;property_info(OBJ , STR ) => {owner, perms, default_type} but it isn't. And yes, I see all the problems. It's not going to happen. So I wondered if I could use the :init_for_core and grep the verb body. E.g., when it says $network:init_for_core ---------------------- 4: this.reply_address = "moomailreplyto@yourhost"; 5: this.errors_to_address = "moomailerrors@yourhost"; one could easily extract the information that the value on the right hand of the equation is a STR. I thought I had it. But then I checked the other init_for_core verbs, and ran into two problems. PROBLEM I What to do with loops like these (making them up for the sake of the argument) for p in ({"foo", "bar", "baz"}) this.(p) = ""; endfor or for p in (properties(this)) this.(p) = ""; endfor or, put another way, this.first_connect_time = this.last_connect_time = $maxint; PROBLEM II Say a player wants to set his .home property via web. In order to warn him, I want to know what the .home property type should be, and check the ancestor path, ending up at $player. I'm then grepping the verb body for a line beginning with "this.(name) = ", and eval the coerced type of the rest of the line. $player:init_for_core --------------------- 9: if ($code_utils:verb_location() != this) 10: if (this in {$no_one, $hacker}) 11: this.home = $nothing; 12: else 13: clear_property(this, "home"); 14: endif 24: else 26: this.home = $player_start; 53: endif OK, this.home is OBJ both in line 11 and 26. But how do I know which line applies to the case at hand? I mean, I can read and understand the code allright, but automatically? Consider that another property could be more complicated, and be something like if ($code_utils:verb_location() != this) if (this in {$no_one, $hacker}) this.foo = ""; elseif (this == $locker_gnome) this.foo = 0; else clear_property(this, "foo"); endif else this.foo = {}; endif (highly unlikely, but you get the picture) Is it just too obfuscated to grep and automatically extract a default value type from the init_for_core verbs? Other ideas? Thanks! - Daniel From neil.fraser@gmail.com Sun Nov 6 23:17:21 2005 Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.199]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jA75HIRb030326 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 23:17:19 -0600 Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x37so68201nfc for ; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 21:17:18 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sNSKxb3J0pr8CVpciZJpAT+X60j3ep/iqHOM05vE6iERZe3ersAMzQteHsDjXm5XG9gtWRDlbrqPlc3+lyc95oQtKURDkQBDmIsbtBMJNnbwNGYFEMDJQm/oLnrDY0ntGjIdwkmf8LQovT2PaTa8L5+TWKahuKi8MKKHJV0d7vw= Received: by 10.48.157.3 with SMTP id f3mr629600nfe; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 21:17:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.49.7 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 21:17:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <416401b00511062117t670db00x@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 00:17:18 -0500 From: Neil Fraser To: "General MOO discussion." Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] unknown data type In-Reply-To: <436E908D.6000009@uib.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <436D5680.2070202@uib.no> <416401b00511061416l687caabey@mail.gmail.com> <436E908D.6000009@uib.no> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by new.cgi101.com id jA75HIRb030326 X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 05:17:22 -0000 On 06/11/05, Daniel Jung wrote: > if (is_member(string, $code_utils.error_names)) > return ERR; > endif > > to prevent "E_BOGUS" etc. from returning ERR. We should have something > like $code_utils.type_names with sorted entries Minor nit: use 'in' not 'is_member()' since you don't need case-sensitivity. The rest of your checks aren't case sensitive. > > I'm still dreaming of a tenth value type, an "associated label/value > list" value, which, in this case, could look like > > << "INT" => INT; "OBJ" => OBJ >> > > etc. and then > > return $code_utils.type_names[string] | -1; > > without having to go through :assoc etc. > Agreed, that's one thing that PHP did right. You can index into lists with numbers, strings, or almost anything else you want. All lists are hashes. > As for security, task_perms would have to be non-wiz, but the verb > should demand wiz perms to be initiated, or something. Or am I missing > something here? Well, if you execute it as $everyman's perms (or whatever your database uses for that kind of thing) then you are safe incase someone passes "#1234.wizard = 1" to it. But you can still get into trouble with a denial of service attack. As we all know, any Moo can be crashed stone dead with the following: x={}; while(1) x={x,x}; endwhile In your case you could just check for the presence of non-alpha characters (plus underscore). > So I reckon you're not opposed to just pick -1 as a type_not_found > equivalent? It makes sense. 0 would be my first choice, but in this case you are uniquely colliding between the Moo server's 0-based lists and the Moo's 1-based list. > I had an error raise there before, but removed it... :) It didn't seem > right to let the server do something the verb could do (sorry for > sounding naïve; I hope you get what I'm trying to say here). And I am > reluctant to use try/except to handle errors I actually expect or force > myself... but maybe the better way to do it. I should work on my Java > skills. I'd don't like to encourage people to use try/except. It definitely has its uses, but I've seen too many people use it as a crutch for sloppy programming. Weird error? Don't bother debugging, just trap it. > > In retrospect a far better approach would have been to > > simply define #0.STR to be 2, thus $STR would be used in place of STR. > > Agree. And, IMHO, it would have been better to not use #0 as the system > object, and 0 as the INT equivalent. Note that (so long as you are wizard) there's nothing stoping you from defining $INT, $OBJ, $LIST etc yourself and using them instead of the magic globals. That's precisely what Moo Canada has done. We intend to switch off those pesky globals variables in the near future. -- Neil Fraser, Programmer & Wizard http://neil.fraser.name From neil.fraser@gmail.com Sun Nov 6 23:32:49 2005 Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.198]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jA75WkiI032129 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 23:32:47 -0600 Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x37so68380nfc for ; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 21:32:46 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uKLve2NX2JsuYlYK8uv14N4TfI/URpmOrCP6cGiSFYD9o8xSVFdkBtDNkjy8hFuvfOnNHbl0Gh6usT764reWPPqSE1tyuF7Y6X4dm6ZYx0RythubCeWmhxv65GLjQN4h2ejxWJ31oU7teEP6eJW96INT+6Hle+6tMiQHgmn44EM= Received: by 10.48.42.12 with SMTP id p12mr1342733nfp; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 21:32:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.49.7 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 21:32:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <416401b00511062132u2e118ff5o@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 00:32:46 -0500 From: Neil Fraser To: "General MOO discussion." Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] default value type In-Reply-To: <436EA721.30907@uib.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <436EA721.30907@uib.no> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by new.cgi101.com id jA75WkiI032129 X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 05:32:50 -0000 On 06/11/05, Daniel Jung wrote: > This property's type (LIST) is not what the parent's property's > is (STR). This may cause conflicts in verbs where this property > is called. Please check if this is correct. > [...] > Other ideas? One method would be to have shadow properties. So you'd have: #123.victim = #234 #123._victim_type = {OBJ} Your web editor would check for a _xxx_type property before allowing a new value. You could create and populate all these _xxx_type properties automatically based on the current values, then manually update the ones that need extra types. A completely different method would be to write a script which takes today's database and uses the command-line browser to inspect the property types and compare them with yesterday's database. Any type changes on core objects (or some other criteria) would be emailed to the admin. http://neil.fraser.name/software/moobrowser/command.html I'm not saying either of these are good ideas, just throwing out some thoughts which might point you in a direction you hadn't thought of. -- Neil Fraser, Programmer & Wizard http://neil.fraser.name From loufah2@yahoo.com Thu Nov 10 17:04:32 2005 Received: from web50707.mail.yahoo.com (web50707.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.105]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with SMTP id jAAN4Ru1032568 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:04:27 -0600 Received: (qmail 44090 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Nov 2005 23:04:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=om8IjOnpr0kg/z9fJRa7no5x76ZLwqHXW/hf6mw2cOt74xlKe0wCJiE+pRNuemPDJ3LpEi/uPz0d+zTENgNu7PsM/3fNEX4ugqt6wMZ2tf8o3+O1Z81lWt7zn5pVOfBdkPuYI1ATQN1I8NttCxMAU59ZkHQ92nAA/YSc2slwJMs= ; Message-ID: <20051110230427.44088.qmail@web50707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [135.207.22.213] by web50707.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 15:04:26 PST Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 15:04:26 -0800 (PST) From: loufah loufah Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] default value type To: "General MOO discussion." In-Reply-To: <436EA721.30907@uib.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 23:04:40 -0000 You wouldn't always want to restrict a property's value's type to be the type it had in a brand-new core. .description can be a string or a list of strings. A mailing list's .is_usable_by property can be an integer or a list of object IDs. The only real solution is to manually inspect all the properties that your users tend to set, and write :set_xxxx verbs that will do the appropriate type checking and will then set the property value. Tell people to call these verbs rather than setting properties directly. There's already a number of these verbs, such as :set_name and :set_description, and the note editor will try to call them if they exist(I wish @set would call them, too). __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From compgeek13@gmail.com Sun Nov 13 12:28:20 2005 Received: from blowfish.brainstorminternet.net (blowfish.brainstorminternet.net [66.118.220.16]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jADISHhx010598 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 12:28:17 -0600 Received: from haw29338 (47.196.118.66.brainstorminternet.net [66.118.196.47]) by blowfish.brainstorminternet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9133A7D468 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:28:16 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000c01c5e880$04782dd0$1200a8c0@mesa.k12.co.us> From: "Tyler Littlefield" To: "General MOO discussion." Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:28:17 -0700 Organization: dataplus Worldwide MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C5E845.57A9CB20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [Moo-cows] help with some inheritance questions? X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Tyler Littlefield , "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:28:20 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C5E845.57A9CB20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hay all, I have a few questions. I am using lambda btw. How do I inherit a player to make it a mob? 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------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C5E845.57A9CB20-- From compgeek13@gmail.com Sun Nov 13 12:37:01 2005 Received: from blowfish.brainstorminternet.net (blowfish.brainstorminternet.net [66.118.220.16]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jADIax94011803 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 12:36:59 -0600 Received: from haw29338 (47.196.118.66.brainstorminternet.net [66.118.196.47]) by blowfish.brainstorminternet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7ED0B7DBB6 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:36:57 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000f01c5e881$3b0b7900$1200a8c0@mesa.k12.co.us> From: "Tyler Littlefield" To: "General MOO discussion." Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:36:57 -0700 Organization: dataplus Worldwide MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C5E846.8D920940" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [Moo-cows] where to put objects? X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Tyler Littlefield , "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:37:01 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C5E846.8D920940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hay, I notice that there are objects like $thing, $container, and others. If I want to make another object, where might I put it? Also, how would I show obvious exits? I am not sure if I have asked that one before. Is there an event that fires when someone enters a room? I want the list of players in the room to also show up in the = description, and I also want it to say when a player enters the room Thanks, Tyler Littlefield. Visit my site, for custom software and webpage design. We handle all of = your computer-related needs with experience, professionalism, and much = more. http://tysplace.the-leetest.net ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C5E846.8D920940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hay,
I notice that there are objects like = $thing,=20 $container, and others.
If I want to make another object, where = might I put=20 it?
Also, how would I show obvious = exits?
I am not sure if I have asked that one=20 before.
Is there an event that fires when = someone enters a=20 room?
I want the list of players in the room = to also show=20 up in the description, and I also want it to say when a player enters = the=20 room
Thanks,
Tyler Littlefield.
Visit my site, = for custom=20 software and webpage design. We handle all of your computer-related = needs with=20 experience, professionalism, and much more.
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------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C5E846.8D920940-- From groucho7@operamail.com Sun Nov 13 20:44:02 2005 Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jAE2hwBR028526 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:43:58 -0600 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id E7B001800402 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 02:43:57 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.133) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 14 Nov 2005 02:43:57 -0000 Received: by ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D15E923D25; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 02:43:57 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Gary Foiles" To: "Tyler Littlefield" , "General MOO discussion." Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:43:57 -0500 Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] where to put objects? Received: from [71.50.20.89] by ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for groucho7@operamail.com; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:43:57 -0500 X-Originating-Ip: 71.50.20.89 X-Originating-Server: ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20051114024357.D15E923D25@ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by new.cgi101.com id jAE2hwBR028526 Cc: X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 02:44:03 -0000 Tyler Littlefield asked: > I notice that there are objects like $thing, $container, and others. > If I want to make another object, where might I put it? To which I humbly try to respond: "Where" as in the location of the object? That wouldn't matter at all. Are you asking how to make some new object something that can be referred to by using the dollar-sign naming form? This is from the Lambda MOO Programmer's Guide: The LambdaCore database uses several properties on #0, the system object, for various special purposes. For example, the value of #0.room is the "generic room" object, #0.exit is the "generic exit" object, etc. This allows MOO programs to refer to these useful objects more easily (and more readably) than using their object numbers directly. To make this usage even easier and more readable, the expression $name (where name obeys the rules for variable names) is an abbreviation for #0.name Thus, for example, the value $nothing mentioned earlier is really #-1, the value of #0.nothing. Tyler Littlefield further inquired: > Also, how would I show obvious exits? My two and a half cents on this subject is: There are two parts to this: (1) collecting the information on the obvious exits in a room, and (2) displaying it to players. (1) $room has a verb called :obvious_exits which returns a list of objects representing the $exit objects that are deemed to be exits from that room. So once you get that, you'll want to use that to make some kind of string, or list of strings, representation of information that will be more helpful to your players, like the name of each exit, maybe the shortest alias, maybe the name of the room the exit leads to, etc. Until finally, you have a string or list of strings ready to be displayed for your players. (2) OK, let's see what's there already. When a player enters a room or looks at a room, that calls $room's own :look_self verb. NAME. That verb in turn calls $room's :title verb to display the name of the room. DESCRIPTION. Then it passes control briefly up to the :look_self verb on the $room's parent object, Root Class (#1), that in turn calls the :description verb to give the description of the room (Wait, we're almost done). CONTENTS. Then $room's :look_self verb calls $room's own :tell_contents verb. This verb will give different results based on whether it is "dark" in the room and on how the room owner wants the contents to be displayed ("ctype"). There is more than one way you could attach your exit info to the room's displayed info, but one way would be to insert some lines into the room's :tell_contents verb, that calls a new verb called :tell_obvious_exits. Your :tell_obvious_exits verb could take the info from (1) above and call the player's :tell_lines verb to display that info. And yet more from Tyler Littlefield: > Is there an event that fires when someone enters a room? And I say: Yes, the primitive (or built-in) verb move() is what changes an object's location from one place to another. move() always calls the :enterfunc verb on the new location. > I want the list of players in the room to also show up in the > description, I reply: See the code already in the $room:tell_contents verb and pay close attention to the "ctype" stuff and how it changes the output. Tyler goes on: > and I also want it to say when a player enters the room I respond: See the :enterfunc stuff above. Tyler politely finishes with: > Thanks, > Tyler Littlefield. And I sum up: You are very welcome. I only hope I have been helpful in some small way. I worry that I might have dwelt too much on small stuff, but I'm never sure what MOO experience the questioner has. Enjoy! Gary Foiles groucho7@operamail.com Sekiji at Harper's Tale MOO Gary at Lambda MOO -- _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 8 at http://www.opera.com Powered by Outblaze From mduhan@fringenet.net Sun Nov 13 22:26:38 2005 Received: from smtp103.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp103.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.202]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with SMTP id jAE4QYNA006819 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:26:34 -0600 Received: (qmail 30799 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2005 04:26:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?172.16.1.33?) (cjfringe@69.219.33.211 with plain) by smtp103.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2005 04:26:33 -0000 In-Reply-To: <000f01c5e881$3b0b7900$1200a8c0@mesa.k12.co.us> References: <000f01c5e881$3b0b7900$1200a8c0@mesa.k12.co.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--983629788 Message-Id: <6D5DE2B1-A108-4B67-B5CC-27C4518D21CC@fringenet.net> From: mduhan@fringenet.net Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] where to put objects? Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:26:32 -0600 To: Tyler Littlefield , "General MOO discussion." X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Cc: X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:26:38 -0000 --Apple-Mail-1--983629788 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed A lot of this information should already in several of the basic guides out there. I recommend reading them first to gain a better understanding of MOO programming. There's a good collection at: http://www.fringenet.net/moo Things like rooms listing players/objects present and announcing their arrival should be built into almost all MOO cores (with the exception of the minimal.db, which I don't recommend starting with). For adding a list of obvious exits to rooms, here's a little snippet of code that I use: @prop $room."tell_exits" 1 rc @verb $room:"tell_exits" this none this rdx @program $room:tell_exits "Copyright (c) 1996-2005 Matthew Duhan."; "Unauthorized use, duplication, or porting is strictly forbidden"; "without express written permission from Matthew Duhan."; exits = {}; for xit in (this:obvious_exits()) exits = {@exits, (xit.name + " (to " + xit.dest.name + ")")}; endfor player:tell("Obvious exits: ", this.exits ? $string_utils:english_list (exits) | "None", "."); "Added by Matthew Duhan 5/22/97 to allow exits to be shown."; . Finally, edit $room:look_self and add these 3 lines to the end of the verb: if (this.tell_exits) this:tell_exits(); endif HTH, Matt On Nov 13, 2005, at 12:36, Tyler Littlefield wrote: > Hay, > I notice that there are objects like $thing, $container, and others. > If I want to make another object, where might I put it? > Also, how would I show obvious exits? > I am not sure if I have asked that one before. > Is there an event that fires when someone enters a room? > I want the list of players in the room to also show up in the > description, and I also want it to say when a player enters the room > Thanks, > Tyler Littlefield. > Visit my site, for custom software and webpage design. We handle > all of your computer-related needs with experience, > professionalism, and much more. > http://tysplace.the-leetest.net --Apple-Mail-1--983629788 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
A lot of this information = should already in several of the basic guides out there. I recommend = reading them first to gain a better understanding of MOO programming. = There's a good collection at:
http://www.fringenet.net/moo

Things like = rooms listing players/objects present and announcing their arrival = should be built into almost all MOO cores (with the exception of the = minimal.db, which I don't recommend starting with). For adding a list of = obvious exits to rooms, here's a little snippet of code that I = use:

@prop = $room."tell_exits" 1 rc

@verb $room:"tell_exits" = this none this rdx
@program = $room:tell_exits
"Copyright (c) 1996-2005 Matthew = Duhan.";
"Unauthorized use, duplication, or porting is = strictly forbidden";
"without express written permission from = Matthew Duhan.";
exits =3D {};
for xit in = (this:obvious_exits())
=A0 exits =3D {@exits, (xit.name + " = (to " + xit.dest.name + = ")")};
endfor
player:tell("Obvious exits: ", = this.exits ? $string_utils:english_list(exits) | "None", = ".");
"Added by Matthew Duhan 5/22/97 to allow exits to be = shown.";
.

Finally, edit = $room:look_self and add these 3 lines to the end of the = verb:
=A0 if (this.tell_exits)
=A0 =A0 = this:tell_exits();
=A0 endif


HTH,
Matt


On Nov 13, = 2005, at 12:36, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
=
Hay,
I notice that there are objects like $thing, = $container, and others.
If I want to make another object, where might I put = it?
Also, how would I = show obvious exits?
I = am not sure if I have asked that one before.
Is there an event that fires when someone = enters a room?
I want = the list of players in the room to also show up in the description, and = I also want it to say when a player enters the room
=
Thanks,
Tyler Littlefield.
Visit my site, for = custom software and webpage design. We handle all of your = computer-related needs with experience, professionalism, and much = more.
http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
= --Apple-Mail-1--983629788-- From compgeek13@gmail.com Mon Nov 14 22:35:45 2005 Received: from blowfish.brainstorminternet.net (blowfish.brainstorminternet.net [66.118.220.16]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jAF4Zg8p020456 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:35:42 -0600 Received: from haw29338 (47.196.118.66.brainstorminternet.net [66.118.196.47]) by blowfish.brainstorminternet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B82B7DEAE for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:35:41 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000801c5e99e$0eba4480$1200a8c0@mesa.k12.co.us> From: "Tyler Littlefield" To: "General MOO discussion." Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:35:50 -0700 Organization: dataplus Worldwide MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C5E963.61DB18F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [Moo-cows] problem with obvious exits code X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Tyler Littlefield , "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 04:35:46 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C5E963.61DB18F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hay, When I put in your code, I see the following information. #3:tell_exits (this =3D=3D #62), line 2: Variable not found graphic 158 = ... called from #3:look_self (this =3D=3D #62), line 8 ... called from #3:l*ook (this =3D=3D #62), line 2 graphic 650=20 (End of traceback) graphic 859 sorry for all the graphic stuff, its just randomly inserted non-needed = comments from the screen reader @recycle $screenreader lol Later, Tyler Littlefield. Visit my site, for custom software and webpage design. We handle all of = your computer-related needs with experience, professionalism, and much = more. http://tysplace.the-leetest.net ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C5E963.61DB18F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hay, When I put in your code, I see the = following=20 information.
#3:tell_exits (this =3D=3D #62), line = 2:  Variable=20 not found graphic 158 ... called from #3:look_self (this =3D=3D #62), = line 8
...=20 called from #3:l*ook (this =3D=3D #62), line 2 graphic 650
(End of = traceback)=20 graphic 859
sorry for all the graphic stuff, its = just randomly=20 inserted non-needed comments from the screen reader
@recycle $screenreader
lol
Later,
Tyler Littlefield.
Visit my site, = for custom=20 software and webpage design. We handle all of your computer-related = needs with=20 experience, professionalism, and much more.
http://tysplace.the-leetest.net<= /A>
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C5E963.61DB18F0-- From mduhan@fringenet.net Mon Nov 14 23:27:23 2005 Received: from smtp114.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp114.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.229.91]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with SMTP id jAF5RGwj026056 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:27:16 -0600 Received: (qmail 10781 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2005 05:27:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?172.16.1.33?) (cjfringe@69.219.33.211 with plain) by smtp114.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2005 05:27:15 -0000 In-Reply-To: <000801c5e99e$0eba4480$1200a8c0@mesa.k12.co.us> References: <000801c5e99e$0eba4480$1200a8c0@mesa.k12.co.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--893583923 Message-Id: <2AD4F385-F4F4-4D0E-96AE-B2223F4D61B4@fringenet.net> From: mduhan@fringenet.net Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] problem with obvious exits code Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:27:18 -0600 To: Tyler Littlefield , "General MOO discussion." X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Cc: X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 05:27:28 -0000 --Apple-Mail-2--893583923 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed A little more information would be helpful. Did you add the property before appending the verb? What core are you using? What client are you using? Line 2 of the tell_exits verb is a comment, so it should not be failing there unless you did not use proper comment style. I suggest taking this discussion off-list, so as to not spam everyone on the list. E-mail me or IM cjfringe. On Nov 14, 2005, at 22:35, Tyler Littlefield wrote: > hay, When I put in your code, I see the following information. > #3:tell_exits (this == #62), line 2: Variable not found graphic > 158 ... called from #3:look_self (this == #62), line 8 > ... called from #3:l*ook (this == #62), line 2 graphic 650 > (End of traceback) graphic 859 > sorry for all the graphic stuff, its just randomly inserted non- > needed comments from the screen reader > @recycle $screenreader > lol > Later, > Tyler Littlefield. > Visit my site, for custom software and webpage design. We handle > all of your computer-related needs with experience, > professionalism, and much more. > http://tysplace.the-leetest.net --Apple-Mail-2--893583923 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
A little more information = would be helpful.

Did you add the property before = appending the verb? What core are you using? What client are you using? = Line 2 of the tell_exits verb is a comment, so it should not be failing = there unless you did not use proper comment style.

I suggest taking this = discussion off-list, so as to not spam everyone on the list. E-mail me = or IM cjfringe.
= --Apple-Mail-2--893583923-- From bbrace@dslnorthwest.net Fri Nov 18 11:50:20 2005 Received: from iron.pdx.net (iron.pdx.net [207.149.241.18]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jAIHoB7q010701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:50:13 -0600 Received: (qmail 16251 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2005 09:50:10 -0800 Received: from 069-064-229-114.pdx.net (HELO dslnorthwest.net) (69.64.229.114) by iron.pdx.net with SMTP; 18 Nov 2005 09:50:10 -0800 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 09:49:54 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: { brad brace } To: moo-cows@moo-cows.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <416401b0050914082178cfc804@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [Moo-cows] MooMentor? X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:50:21 -0000 I've been interested Moos for a long time but quite frankly lack the programming facility to make one of my own. Wondering if there's anyone who might enjoy building an arts-related moo on my fast dsl server (a separate Mac OSX computer that you'd have remote access to), and letting me "look over your shoulder." (?) Thanks! /:b From compgeek13@gmail.com Fri Nov 18 22:34:50 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jAJ4YitF020810 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:34:44 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-3.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 108025334 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:34:44 -0700 Message-ID: <001501c5ecc2$980852a0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:34:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [Moo-cows] help with verb? X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 04:34:58 -0000 Hay, I have a question. I am looking at some verbs, and I see something like s*ay what is the * for? Thanks, Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] From groucho7@operamail.com Fri Nov 18 23:38:02 2005 Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jAJ5bwFp027421 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:37:58 -0600 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 5CD991800137 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 05:37:58 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.133) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 19 Nov 2005 05:37:58 -0000 Received: by ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 533C423D2B; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 05:37:58 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Gary Foiles" To: "General MOO discussion." Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:37:58 -0500 Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with verb? Received: from [71.50.20.89] by ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for groucho7@operamail.com; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:37:58 -0500 X-Originating-Ip: 71.50.20.89 X-Originating-Server: ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20051119053758.533C423D2B@ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by new.cgi101.com id jAJ5bwFp027421 X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 05:38:05 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: tyler To: "General MOO discussion." Subject: [Moo-cows] help with verb? Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:34:56 -0800 > > Hay, > I have a question. > I am looking at some verbs, and I see something like > s*ay > what is the * for? > Thanks, > Tyler Littlefield. >From the LambdaMOO Programmers' Manual: If the [verb] name contains a single star, however, then the name matches any prefix of itself that is at least as long as the part before the star. For example, the verb-name `foo*bar' matches any of the strings `foo', `foob', `fooba', or `foobar'; note that the star itself is not considered part of the name. If the verb name ends in a star, then it matches any string that begins with the part before the star. For example, the verb-name `foo*' matches any of the strings `foo', `foobar', `food', or `foogleman', among many others. As a special case, if the verb-name is `*' (i.e., a single star all by itself), then it matches anything at all. -- _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 8 at http://www.opera.com Powered by Outblaze From compgeek13@gmail.com Fri Nov 18 23:48:19 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jAJ5mGdb028664 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:48:16 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-2.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 237133998 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:48:16 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c5eccc$d67b5e60$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." References: <20051119053758.533C423D2B@ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with verb? Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:48:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 05:48:20 -0000 so, it would be like an alias? Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Foiles" To: "General MOO discussion." Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with verb? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: tyler > To: "General MOO discussion." > Subject: [Moo-cows] help with verb? > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:34:56 -0800 > > > > > Hay, > > I have a question. > > I am looking at some verbs, and I see something like > > s*ay > > what is the * for? > > Thanks, > > Tyler Littlefield. > > >From the LambdaMOO Programmers' Manual: > > If the [verb] name contains a single star, however, then the name matches any prefix of itself that is at least as long as the part before the star. For example, the verb-name `foo*bar' matches any of the strings `foo', `foob', `fooba', or `foobar'; note that the star itself is not considered part of the name. > > If the verb name ends in a star, then it matches any string that begins with the part before the star. For example, the verb-name `foo*' matches any of the strings `foo', `foobar', `food', or `foogleman', among many others. As a special case, if the verb-name is `*' (i.e., a single star all by itself), then it matches anything at all. > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: > Download Opera 8 at http://www.opera.com > > Powered by Outblaze > > _______________________________________________ > Moo-cows mailing list > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows From moocows@cipri.com Sat Nov 19 02:41:57 2005 Received: from amsfep14-int.chello.nl (amsfep14-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.21]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jAJ8fpEq013019 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 02:41:52 -0600 Received: from BorgCube.cipri.com ([62.163.46.209]) by amsfep14-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with ESMTP id <20051119084150.ULLR1774.amsfep14-int.chello.nl@BorgCube.cipri.com> for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:41:50 +0100 Received: from transwarp.cipri.com ([192.168.1.2] helo=transwarp) by BorgCube.cipri.com with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1EdOIA-00035V-00 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:41:50 +0100 Message-ID: <00c501c5ece5$14862a10$0201a8c0@transwarp> From: "Cipriano Groenendal" To: "General MOO discussion." References: <20051119053758.533C423D2B@ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com> <000a01c5eccc$d67b5e60$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with verb? Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:41:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:41:58 -0000 Aliasses are different names. Using *'s can be for that, but also for making commands shorter. here are some "real life" examples: #1:"connect_msg disconnect_msg" is an alias. It can be called with both names. Inside the verb one can use the variable "verb" to see which one was used. #1:announce*_all_but is an abbreviated name, that can be called either with announce, announce_all, announce_all_but, and as announce_all_b if you wanted. Like above, the var "verb" contains the name of the verb used. #1:>* is also an abbreviated name. Any command that starts with a > will be caugh by this verb. This could be used, for example, to make a page verb. >Foo Hi could send the page "hi" to Foo. As above, "verb" contains the full string used to call this verb. This all works with typed commands, and with programmed verb calls, ofcourse. Cipri ----- Original Message ----- From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." Sent: 19 November, 2005 06:48 Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with verb? > so, it would be like an alias? > Tyler Littlefield. > Check out our website: > http://tysplace.the-leetest.net > check out my blog: > livejournal.com/~tylerrl > [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Foiles" > To: "General MOO discussion." > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 9:37 PM > Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with verb? > > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: tyler >> To: "General MOO discussion." >> Subject: [Moo-cows] help with verb? >> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:34:56 -0800 >> >> > >> > Hay, >> > I have a question. >> > I am looking at some verbs, and I see something like >> > s*ay >> > what is the * for? >> > Thanks, >> > Tyler Littlefield. >> >> >From the LambdaMOO Programmers' Manual: >> >> If the [verb] name contains a single star, however, then the name matches > any prefix of itself that is at least as long as the part before the star. > For example, the verb-name `foo*bar' matches any of the strings `foo', > `foob', `fooba', or `foobar'; note that the star itself is not considered > part of the name. >> >> If the verb name ends in a star, then it matches any string that begins > with the part before the star. For example, the verb-name `foo*' matches > any > of the strings `foo', `foobar', `food', or `foogleman', among many others. > As a special case, if the verb-name is `*' (i.e., a single star all by > itself), then it matches anything at all. From compgeek13@gmail.com Sat Nov 19 12:29:15 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jAJIT81q009247 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:29:09 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-3.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 108305291 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:29:08 -0700 Message-ID: <001701c5ed37$21a6a240$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." References: <20051119053758.533C423D2B@ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com><000a01c5eccc$d67b5e60$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <00c501c5ece5$14862a10$0201a8c0@transwarp> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with verb? Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:29:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:29:16 -0000 awesome. Thanks. Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cipriano Groenendal" To: "General MOO discussion." Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with verb? > Aliasses are different names. Using *'s can be for that, but also for making > commands shorter. here are some "real life" examples: > #1:"connect_msg disconnect_msg" is an alias. It can be called with both > names. Inside the verb one can use the variable "verb" to see which one was > used. > #1:announce*_all_but is an abbreviated name, that can be called either with > announce, announce_all, announce_all_but, and as announce_all_b if you > wanted. Like above, the var "verb" contains the name of the verb used. > #1:>* is also an abbreviated name. Any command that starts with a > will be > caugh by this verb. This could be used, for example, to make a page verb. > >Foo Hi could send the page "hi" to Foo. As above, "verb" contains the full > string used to call this verb. > > This all works with typed commands, and with programmed verb calls, > ofcourse. > > Cipri > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tyler" > To: "General MOO discussion." > Sent: 19 November, 2005 06:48 > Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with verb? > > > > so, it would be like an alias? > > Tyler Littlefield. > > Check out our website: > > http://tysplace.the-leetest.net > > check out my blog: > > livejournal.com/~tylerrl > > [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gary Foiles" > > To: "General MOO discussion." > > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 9:37 PM > > Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with verb? > > > > > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: tyler > >> To: "General MOO discussion." > >> Subject: [Moo-cows] help with verb? > >> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:34:56 -0800 > >> > >> > > >> > Hay, > >> > I have a question. > >> > I am looking at some verbs, and I see something like > >> > s*ay > >> > what is the * for? > >> > Thanks, > >> > Tyler Littlefield. > >> > >> >From the LambdaMOO Programmers' Manual: > >> > >> If the [verb] name contains a single star, however, then the name matches > > any prefix of itself that is at least as long as the part before the star. > > For example, the verb-name `foo*bar' matches any of the strings `foo', > > `foob', `fooba', or `foobar'; note that the star itself is not considered > > part of the name. > >> > >> If the verb name ends in a star, then it matches any string that begins > > with the part before the star. For example, the verb-name `foo*' matches > > any > > of the strings `foo', `foobar', `food', or `foogleman', among many others. > > As a special case, if the verb-name is `*' (i.e., a single star all by > > itself), then it matches anything at all. > > _______________________________________________ > Moo-cows mailing list > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows From compgeek13@gmail.com Sat Nov 19 21:45:39 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jAK3jaQ5008566 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:45:36 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-1.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 318387526 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:45:36 -0700 Message-ID: <001401c5ed84$df41e1f0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 19:45:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [Moo-cows] help with some problems? X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 03:45:40 -0000 Hello, I can do the following @create $thing called "thing" How do I make an object, and put it where I can do like @create $tyler called "the coolest." Also, what is wrong with this code? for exit in (this.exits) player:tell(exit.name); endfor Thanks, Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] From compgeek13@gmail.com Sat Nov 19 21:59:40 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jAK3xTV1009495 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:59:29 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-2.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 237566669 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:59:29 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01c5ed86$cf93d5e0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 19:59:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [Moo-cows] help with a new idea--how to make a mob? X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 03:59:40 -0000 Hello list, I have a question I am making a player a mob, but, that one doesn't seem to work. The reason why I say this, is because when I do @create $player called "a monster", monster it makes it an exact player. Are there any other ideas? Also, how would I spawn and recycle other monsters at random intervols and make them move from room to room, and lock them out of other rooms? thanks, Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] From mduhan@fringenet.net Sat Nov 19 22:11:08 2005 Received: from smtp101.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp101.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.229.104]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with SMTP id jAK4B0Qv010801 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 22:11:01 -0600 Received: (qmail 86031 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2005 04:11:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?172.16.1.33?) (cjfringe@69.219.33.211 with plain) by smtp101.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2005 04:11:00 -0000 In-Reply-To: <000b01c5ed86$cf93d5e0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> References: <000b01c5ed86$cf93d5e0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: mduhan@fringenet.net Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with a new idea--how to make a mob? Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 22:10:59 -0600 To: "General MOO discussion." X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 04:11:08 -0000 Tyler, I've seen you post a lot of questions like this to the list over the last couple of weeks. While there are many on this list here to help you, you do also have to put forth a little effort yourself. Many of these questions can all be answered by reading the LambdaMOO Programmers Manual and a number of MOO FAQs that you have been pointed to. We are not here to magically make everything work for you. Please read the Manual, gain some more understanding of object types and inheretance, and then if you have specific questions people can try to answer them. Simply asking why x won't work is too vague, especially when by gaining a better understanding of how the MOO works you could answer these on your own. On Nov 19, 2005, at 21:59, tyler wrote: > Hello list, > I have a question > I am making a player a mob, but, that one doesn't seem to work. The > reason > why I say this, is because when I do @create $player called "a > monster", > monster it makes it an exact player. > Are there any other ideas? > Also, how would I spawn and recycle other monsters at random > intervols and > make them move from room to room, and lock them out of other rooms? > thanks, > Tyler Littlefield. > Check out our website: > http://tysplace.the-leetest.net > check out my blog: > livejournal.com/~tylerrl > [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] > From compgeek13@gmail.com Sat Nov 19 22:34:12 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jAK4YAA1013359 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 22:34:10 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-2.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 237573529 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:34:03 -0700 Message-ID: <001501c5ed8b$a3ce4ad0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." References: <000b01c5ed86$cf93d5e0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with a new idea--how to make a mob? Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:34:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 04:34:13 -0000 I have read the manual. and I didn't expect people to magically make it work. I had to find a resolution to the code sense the code you passed through didn't work the way it was supposed to for what ever reason. Thanks, Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "General MOO discussion." Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with a new idea--how to make a mob? > Tyler, > > I've seen you post a lot of questions like this to the list over the > last couple of weeks. While there are many on this list here to help > you, you do also have to put forth a little effort yourself. Many of > these questions can all be answered by reading the LambdaMOO > Programmers Manual and a number of MOO FAQs that you have been > pointed to. We are not here to magically make everything work for > you. Please read the Manual, gain some more understanding of object > types and inheretance, and then if you have specific questions people > can try to answer them. Simply asking why x won't work is too vague, > especially when by gaining a better understanding of how the MOO > works you could answer these on your own. > > > On Nov 19, 2005, at 21:59, tyler wrote: > > Hello list, > > I have a question > > I am making a player a mob, but, that one doesn't seem to work. The > > reason > > why I say this, is because when I do @create $player called "a > > monster", > > monster it makes it an exact player. > > Are there any other ideas? > > Also, how would I spawn and recycle other monsters at random > > intervols and > > make them move from room to room, and lock them out of other rooms? > > thanks, > > Tyler Littlefield. > > Check out our website: > > http://tysplace.the-leetest.net > > check out my blog: > > livejournal.com/~tylerrl > > [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] > > > _______________________________________________ > Moo-cows mailing list > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows From compgeek13@gmail.com Sun Nov 20 01:56:45 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jAK7udK4001181 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 01:56:39 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-1.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 318446081 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 00:56:39 -0700 Message-ID: <001401c5eda7$f1ba7fe0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 23:56:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [Moo-cows] help please--last question for a long time X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 07:56:45 -0000 I am working on creating a bot, as an intro to a mob. Well, I have a problem with this. When I create the bot, I can't make it listen for commands, or I am not sure how. so, I was thinking of creating a start verb. you could type start bot, and it would activate the listen command. then you could type stop bot and it would de-activate the listen command. Well, here is the problem. How would I call the listen verb, and how would I make it just sit there and do nothing until I say like say bot time or something like that? I have googled this one out, and am not sure how to get this through. I was able to create an ATM, I had to put the verb on the $room object, but it checks to see if there is an atm machine in the room, if there is, it will run, if not, it will tell the player that they can only perform bank actions in a bank. Also, I have been doing some serious researching. I really want to find a mob or something that will allow me to work on my game, or at least let me get a grasp of some code. I see a lot of c++ code, do I have to use this? If so, how do I incorperate it into the moo? I am just trying to find a way to make mobs, doors, anything that will get me going on my world with out having to dig. I have just went through about 500+ pages and found absolutly nothing that would help me. I found a bot, that I was going to play with, but that code wasn't much use to me. I have pasted the code below for it though, for anyone else to comment on or use, if they can get it to work. Thanks, @create $thing called "a bot",Bot @prop bot.on 1 @verb Bot:notify tnt @program Bot:notify if (index(args[1], " says, ")) if (index(args[1], "Bot, ")) if (index(args[1], "on")) if (this.on != 1) suspend(2); this.on = 1; this.location:announce_all(this:title(), " says, \"What is your request?\""); else this.location:announce_all(this:title(), " says, \"I'm already on.\""); endif elseif (this.on) if (index(args[1], "off")) this.location:announce_all(this:title(), " says, \"Shutting Down.\""); suspend(3); this.on = 0; this.location:announce_all(this:title(), " shutsdown."); elseif (index(args[1], "time")) this.location:announce_all(this:title(), " says, \"One Moment please...\""); suspend(2); this.location:announce_all(this:title(), " says, \"It is: ", ctime(), "\""); elseif (index(args[1], "away")) this.location:announce_all(this:title(), " says, \"Ok Seeya later.\""); this.location:announce_all(this:title(), " speeds off."); this:moveto(this.owner.home); this.location:announce_all(this:title(), " speeds in."); this.on = 0; this.location:announce_all(this:title(), " shutsdown."); endif endif endif endif . Well, thats about all I have to say. Thanks for your time, and help. It is appriciated. Laters, Thanks, Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] From roys@mindspring.com Sun Nov 20 10:30:41 2005 Received: from eastrmmtao03.cox.net (eastrmmtao03.cox.net [68.230.240.36]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jAKGUaQH023123 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 10:30:37 -0600 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [68.106.118.247]) by eastrmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051120162927.YFAV29285.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 11:29:27 -0500 Message-ID: <4380A4A2.702@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 11:30:26 -0500 From: Roy Sutton User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.4 (Windows/20050908) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "General MOO discussion." Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help please--last question for a long time References: <001401c5eda7$f1ba7fe0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> In-Reply-To: <001401c5eda7$f1ba7fe0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:30:41 -0000 Tyler, The bot code you posted looks like something I'd expect to work. I think the problem is you're just not fully immersed in the whole moo programming paradigm yet. I strongly suggest finding an -existing- moo that someone will let you be a programmer on. Most moos that allow it will have a complete set of developed objects you can peek at and also will also probably have people around you can ask questions as you try to code. You really just need to tinker with this stuff and get familiar with it. These types of questions are the ones that fresh moo programmers cut their teeth on. You are perhaps expecting a little much diving into the deep end without support. I don't think this mailing list is the best place for these basic questions. You would benefit by finding a moo and a mentor on that moo that you can speak with and get instant feedback. Hints: You shouldn't have to create the ATM command on $room (Though you could and you'd not even really need an ATM object at all). Learn all about verb signatures if you haven't. Roy tyler wrote: > I am working on creating a bot, as an intro to a mob. Well, I have a > problem > with this. > When I create the bot, I can't make it listen for commands, or I am not > sure > how. so, I was thinking of creating a start verb. you could type start > bot, > and it would activate the listen command. then you could type stop bot > and > it would de-activate the listen command. > Well, here is the problem. > How would I call the listen verb, and how would I make it just sit there > and > do nothing until I say like > say bot time > or something like that? I have googled this one out, and am not sure how > to > get this through. > I was able to create an ATM, I had to put the verb on the $room object, > but > it checks to see if there is an atm machine in the room, if there is, it > will run, if not, it will tell the player that they can only perform > bank > actions in a bank. > Also, I have been doing some serious researching. I really want to find a > mob or something that will allow me to work on my game, or at least let me > get a grasp of some code. I see a lot of c++ code, do I have to use this? If > so, how do I incorperate it into the moo? I am just trying to find a way to > make mobs, doors, anything that will get me going on my world with out > having to dig. I have just went through about 500+ pages and found absolutly > nothing that would help me. I found a bot, that I was going to play with, > but that code wasn't much use to me. I have pasted the code below for it > though, for anyone else to comment on or use, if they can get it to work. > Thanks, > @create $thing called "a bot",Bot > @prop bot.on 1 > @verb Bot:notify tnt > @program Bot:notify > if (index(args[1], " says, ")) > if (index(args[1], "Bot, ")) > if (index(args[1], "on")) > if (this.on != 1) > suspend(2); > this.on = 1; > this.location:announce_all(this:title(), " says, \"What is your > request?\""); > else > this.location:announce_all(this:title(), " says, \"I'm already on.\""); > endif > elseif (this.on) > if (index(args[1], "off")) > this.location:announce_all(this:title(), " says, \"Shutting Down.\""); > suspend(3); > this.on = 0; > this.location:announce_all(this:title(), " shutsdown."); > elseif (index(args[1], "time")) > this.location:announce_all(this:title(), " says, \"One Moment please...\""); > suspend(2); > this.location:announce_all(this:title(), " says, \"It is: ", ctime(), "\""); > elseif (index(args[1], "away")) > this.location:announce_all(this:title(), " says, \"Ok Seeya later.\""); > this.location:announce_all(this:title(), " speeds off."); > this:moveto(this.owner.home); > this.location:announce_all(this:title(), " speeds in."); > this.on = 0; > this.location:announce_all(this:title(), " shutsdown."); > endif > endif > endif > endif > . > Well, thats about all I have to say. > Thanks for your time, and help. It is appriciated. > Laters, > Thanks, > Tyler Littlefield. > Check out our website: > http://tysplace.the-leetest.net > check out my blog: > livejournal.com/~tylerrl > [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moo-cows mailing list > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows > > > > From compgeek13@gmail.com Sun Nov 20 12:09:30 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jAKI9Q5H001172 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 12:09:26 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-3.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 108818437 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 11:09:25 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c5edfd$8cd8e2a0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." References: <001401c5eda7$f1ba7fe0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <4380A4A2.702@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help please--last question for a long time Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 10:09:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:09:31 -0000 ok, someone have a moo that I could work on? It doesn't work, because when I say something, nothing happens. Thanks, Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Sutton" To: "General MOO discussion." Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help please--last question for a long time > Tyler, > > The bot code you posted looks like something I'd expect to work. > > I think the problem is you're just not fully immersed in the whole moo > programming paradigm yet. I strongly suggest finding an -existing- moo > that someone will let you be a programmer on. Most moos that allow it > will have a complete set of developed objects you can peek at and also > will also probably have people around you can ask questions as you try > to code. You really just need to tinker with this stuff and get > familiar with it. These types of questions are the ones that fresh moo > programmers cut their teeth on. You are perhaps expecting a little much > diving into the deep end without support. I don't think this mailing > list is the best place for these basic questions. You would benefit by > finding a moo and a mentor on that moo that you can speak with and get > instant feedback. > > Hints: You shouldn't have to create the ATM command on $room (Though > you could and you'd not even really need an ATM object at all). Learn > all about verb signatures if you haven't. > > Roy > > tyler wrote: > > I am working on creating a bot, as an intro to a mob. Well, I have a > > problem > > with this. > > When I create the bot, I can't make it listen for commands, or I am not > > sure > > how. so, I was thinking of creating a start verb. you could type start > > bot, > > and it would activate the listen command. then you could type stop bot > > and > > it would de-activate the listen command. > > Well, here is the problem. > > How would I call the listen verb, and how would I make it just sit there > > and > > do nothing until I say like > > say bot time > > or something like that? I have googled this one out, and am not sure how > > to > > get this through. > > I was able to create an ATM, I had to put the verb on the $room object, > > but > > it checks to see if there is an atm machine in the room, if there is, it > > will run, if not, it will tell the player that they can only perform > > bank > > actions in a bank. > > Also, I have been doing some serious researching. I really want to find a > > mob or something that will allow me to work on my game, or at least let me > > get a grasp of some code. I see a lot of c++ code, do I have to use this? If > > so, how do I incorperate it into the moo? I am just trying to find a way to > > make mobs, doors, anything that will get me going on my world with out > > having to dig. I have just went through about 500+ pages and found absolutly > > nothing that would help me. I found a bot, that I was going to play with, > > but that code wasn't much use to me. I have pasted the code below for it > > though, for anyone else to comment on or use, if they can get it to work. > > Thanks, > > @create $thing called "a bot",Bot > > @prop bot.on 1 > > @verb Bot:notify tnt > > @program Bot:notify > > if (index(args[1], " says, ")) > > if (index(args[1], "Bot, ")) > > if (index(args[1], "on")) > > if (this.on != 1) > > suspend(2); > > this.on = 1; > > this.location:announce_all(this:title(), " says, \"What is your > > request?\""); > > else > > this.location:announce_all(this:title(), " says, \"I'm already on.\""); > > endif > > elseif (this.on) > > if (index(args[1], "off")) > > this.location:announce_all(this:title(), " says, \"Shutting Down.\""); > > suspend(3); > > this.on = 0; > > this.location:announce_all(this:title(), " shutsdown."); > > elseif (index(args[1], "time")) > > this.location:announce_all(this:title(), " says, \"One Moment please...\""); > > suspend(2); > > this.location:announce_all(this:title(), " says, \"It is: ", ctime(), "\""); > > elseif (index(args[1], "away")) > > this.location:announce_all(this:title(), " says, \"Ok Seeya later.\""); > > this.location:announce_all(this:title(), " speeds off."); > > this:moveto(this.owner.home); > > this.location:announce_all(this:title(), " speeds in."); > > this.on = 0; > > this.location:announce_all(this:title(), " shutsdown."); > > endif > > endif > > endif > > endif > > . > > Well, thats about all I have to say. > > Thanks for your time, and help. It is appriciated. > > Laters, > > Thanks, > > Tyler Littlefield. > > Check out our website: > > http://tysplace.the-leetest.net > > check out my blog: > > livejournal.com/~tylerrl > > [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Moo-cows mailing list > > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moo-cows mailing list > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows From kira@lightsphere.com Sun Nov 20 12:13:29 2005 Received: from miniMac.local.oplink.net ([209.223.46.80]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jAKIDQEs001563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 12:13:27 -0600 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 12:13:26 -0600 From: Jackie Hamilton To: "General MOO discussion." Message-ID: <20051120121326.715409.c598762c@lightsphere.com> In-Reply-To: <001401c5eda7$f1ba7fe0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> References: <001401c5eda7$f1ba7fe0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help please--last question for a long time Mime-Version: 1.0 (GMessage framework 1.3.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: GyazMail version 1.3.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:13:29 -0000 You need to add a :tell verb to the bot. (be sure it's a this-none-this verb too.) Whenever anyone says or emotes anything, the :tell for all items in the room gets called. Probably if you just rename the notify verb to be a tell verb, it would do the trick. -- Jackie Hamilton kira@lightsphere.com From compgeek13@gmail.com Sun Nov 20 12:22:23 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jAKIMLMd002945 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 12:22:21 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-1.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 318740499 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 11:22:21 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01c5edff$5afa8ca0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." References: <001401c5eda7$f1ba7fe0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <20051120121326.715409.c598762c@lightsphere.com> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help please--last question for a long time Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 10:22:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:22:24 -0000 so, I would just switch the verb to tell? Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Hamilton" To: "General MOO discussion." Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help please--last question for a long time > > You need to add a :tell verb to the bot. (be sure it's a this-none-this verb too.) Whenever anyone says or emotes anything, the :tell for all items in the room gets called. > > Probably if you just rename the notify verb to be a tell verb, it would do the trick. > > -- Jackie Hamilton > kira@lightsphere.com > _______________________________________________ > Moo-cows mailing list > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows From compgeek13@gmail.com Sun Nov 20 13:37:19 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jAKJbGcn011017 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 13:37:16 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-2.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 237933291 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 12:37:16 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01c5ee09$d2351e20$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 11:37:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [Moo-cows] help with inheritance, and how to change a property of a child? X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 19:37:19 -0000 Hay list, I have a problem. I just wrote a little bot. Nice huh? Well, I want the user to be able to buy hardware, and software for it. Well, my initial idea would have been to @chparent #bot to $container so it could hold this, but this won't work, so I put it back to thing. I say it won't work because it has all the properties of a container, and when I do @rmverb #bot:open it doesn't have that object, but I don't want to mess up the container object. Is there a way to create this so it will have some of the properties of a container object, and put it in the root? so, it won't be a child of anything, and I can work on the verbs directly from there? Also, I have created a little game. I did @set board.f to 1 in the hopes that I could @move #board to #0 and do @create board called "a game" but that didn't work. What am I missing? Thanks, and sorry for all the questions. Thanks, Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] From compgeek13@gmail.com Sun Nov 20 17:19:12 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jAKNJAQs003173 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 17:19:10 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-3.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 108930618 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:19:10 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c5ee28$d1646f90$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 15:19:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [Moo-cows] mud to work on? looking for mentor? X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 23:19:13 -0000 Hay all, is there someone willing to mentor and help me learn moo? Thanks, Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] From raroth42@yahoo.co.uk Wed Nov 23 15:29:30 2005 Received: from web26008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web26008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.219]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with SMTP id jANLTRpZ009610 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:29:27 -0600 Received: (qmail 49284 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Nov 2005 21:29:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tiOOhbHU3B5sDZ23/UBh5UYdd3PVbHSGFIiCSLFwyudHmmQbF3lZCvUmjAFUglg4RtoQsDhqRzalidm/cLl9Dzd9FicXfPidHP3AuTzScSbizQ7Os6/Nd8v15rIT87DF3t4r91vWr/IznQSBj27wpGSRcl+kyLdF4fZ2wCowcek= ; Message-ID: <20051123212924.49282.qmail@web26008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.37.77.229] by web26008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:29:24 GMT Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:29:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Richard Rothwell To: moo-cows@moo-cows.com In-Reply-To: <200511211800.jALI08Of001912@new.cgi101.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [Moo-cows] Web browser X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: richard@caliban.org.uk, "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:29:31 -0000 Hi All, I'm looking for anyone who has a decent amount of MOO expertese and some spare time to assist with a project. We're running LambdaMoo with the EduCore database, predominantly in text mode. What I'm hoping to do is build a web browser into it - specifically for blind and VI students - but it would also be suitable for low bandwidth situations. This is not putting a web interface onto the MOO, but allowing webpages to be viewed meaningfully as rooms 'in' the MOO. With apologies for the inevitable cross postings, rgds, Richard Rothwell -------------------------------------------------------------------- If you are receiving this at your Hotmail account, please keep in mind that you might not be able to receive it after November, when Microsoft implements YABIS (Yet Another Broken Incompatable Standard). 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Model Search 2005 - Find the next catwalk superstars - http://uk.news.yahoo.com/hot/model-search/ From compgeek13@gmail.com Wed Nov 23 15:34:40 2005 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.195]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jANLYaJO010654 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:34:37 -0600 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m7so2064672nzf for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:34:37 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:subject:date:organization:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=miHc6AzcJG6mlcROb6QqnOapGXCD7xZFtvLRjpTEMCWVRAkPMXAoxDxCxJGpmBxQZnhiWiW8lkAyAj2mT4XgLj2ahyTBxLUm2eDYkovuwtAkN+fSuLNWSBaXP+/Xg6RKE+85d2+6L1tapz3OqYUIWVXhbDyQbnHQl2KXjuMEvcs= Received: by 10.36.49.7 with SMTP id w7mr5226839nzw; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:34:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from tyler ( [207.174.192.34]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 39sm1293228nzk.2005.11.23.13.34.36; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:34:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000601c5f075$58a3d920$6501a8c0@tyler> From: "tyler littlefield" To: , "General MOO discussion." References: <20051123212924.49282.qmail@web26008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] Web browser Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:32:01 -0700 Organization: dataplus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Cc: X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: tyler littlefield , "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:34:40 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Rothwell" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 2:29 PM Subject: [Moo-cows] Web browser > Hi All, > > I'm looking for anyone who has a decent amount of MOO > expertese and some spare time to assist with a > project. We're running LambdaMoo with the EduCore > database, predominantly in text mode. What I'm hoping > to do is build a web browser into it - specifically > for blind and VI students - but it would also be > suitable for low bandwidth situations. This is not > putting a web interface onto the MOO, but allowing > webpages to be viewed meaningfully as rooms 'in' the > MOO. > > With apologies for the inevitable cross postings, > > rgds, > Richard Rothwell > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > If you are receiving this at your Hotmail account, please keep in mind that you might not be able to receive it after November, when Microsoft implements YABIS (Yet Another Broken Incompatable Standard). > > You may want to switch to a GMail Account or a Yahoo Account if you want to continue receiving emails from non-Microsoft accounts. > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Model Search 2005 - Find the next catwalk superstars - http://uk.news.yahoo.com/hot/model-search/ > _______________________________________________ > Moo-cows mailing list > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows From compgeek13@gmail.com Wed Nov 23 15:35:37 2005 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.207]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jANLZVMS010766 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:35:31 -0600 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m7so2064848nzf for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:35:32 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:reply-to:from:to:subject:date:organization:mime-version:content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=Jd/KS6s51LYhgFx/zwMGIi2LpIDcUuMY7i1DTWBq8dP1dr8liYaSqr8nm2WH0HZFYPPJzK0xDOJcXkVOKHZk/gMjfy2qWXbHc88AJht+juSoeTOxzGo7MASQMDx/hK5eoc36kI6HKdGZZX7nobiQeVQBpNP27hrj4OcknvQgMHM= Received: by 10.36.126.1 with SMTP id y1mr5220059nzc; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:35:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from tyler ( [207.174.192.34]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 18sm1298985nzo.2005.11.23.13.35.31; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:35:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000f01c5f075$78f3a340$6501a8c0@tyler> From: "tyler littlefield" To: "General MOO discussion." Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:32:56 -0700 Organization: dataplus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C5F03A.CBB2F6C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [Moo-cows] WHO WAS VOLUNTEERING TO HEL? X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: tyler littlefield , "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:35:38 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C5F03A.CBB2F6C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hAY LIST, I think there was someone volunteering to help if I could instant = message them? Who were you? I lost the email on my comp. Thanks, ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C5F03A.CBB2F6C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hAY LIST,
I think there was someone volunteering = to help if I=20 could instant message them?
Who were you? I lost the email on my=20 comp.
Thanks,
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C5F03A.CBB2F6C0-- From compgeek13@gmail.com Fri Nov 25 11:51:53 2005 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.204]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jAPHphth027864 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:51:43 -0600 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id n29so2486309nzf for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:51:43 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:reply-to:from:to:subject:date:organization:mime-version:content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=LceAxz3c4AQhhyiVPhY7LJVQnMoIx1fTVIir0gnCFsjML05o85mrBMrJZu+HEhljWMe01/WZMt8FZvS9xfSgA2Og1bXm8fytNISR+b3Fo7IV/eJdn8KcdZN7Dxgm77Xax+/26nGXJ6+XbE7NvJ81zlDHYtJSJkRCOfdRi7tADN8= Received: by 10.37.15.37 with SMTP id s37mr1316381nzi; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:51:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from tyler ( [207.174.192.34]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 17sm3608050nzo.2005.11.25.09.51.42; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:51:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <008201c5f1e8$943c1780$6501a8c0@tyler> From: "tyler littlefield" To: "General MOO discussion." Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:49:25 -0700 Organization: dataplus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007D_01C5F1AD.E6E17A60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [Moo-cows] help with winmoo X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: tyler littlefield , "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 17:51:54 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C5F1AD.E6E17A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hay list, I have a problem. When I restart my computer, I get my last db, and I have to shut down = the service, replace the db with the backup, and then start the service = again. Is this possible to fix? Thanks, ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C5F1AD.E6E17A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hay list,
I have a problem.
When I restart my computer, I get my = last db, and I=20 have to shut down the service, replace the db with the backup, and then = start=20 the service again.
Is this possible to fix?
Thanks,
------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C5F1AD.E6E17A60-- From ahynes1@optonline.net Fri Nov 25 12:03:15 2005 Received: from mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.205]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jAPI3BAW029192 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 12:03:11 -0600 Received: from cv933025a (ool-45783e10.dyn.optonline.net [69.120.62.16]) by mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IQI00F7MVHAK1VG@mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:03:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:00:39 -0500 From: Aldon Hynes Subject: RE: [Moo-cows] help with winmoo In-reply-to: <008201c5f1e8$943c1780$6501a8c0@tyler> To: tyler littlefield , "General MOO discussion." Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_4515Atlr5GztBAGyzS4Jyw)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Cc: X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 18:03:16 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_4515Atlr5GztBAGyzS4Jyw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I have a command that I use for keeping more databases straight: copy core.db coreold.db copy corenew.db core.db start winmoo -l moo.log -o core.db corenew.db This saves my old core as coreold.db (in case I need to do a rollback). It copies the latest version of the core (corenew.db) to core.db It then starts the moo using core.db and writing all updates to corenew.db Aldon -----Original Message----- From: moo-cows-bounces@moo-cows.com [mailto:moo-cows-bounces@moo-cows.com]On Behalf Of tyler littlefield Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 12:49 PM To: General MOO discussion. Subject: [Moo-cows] help with winmoo Hay list, I have a problem. When I restart my computer, I get my last db, and I have to shut down the service, replace the db with the backup, and then start the service again. Is this possible to fix? Thanks, --Boundary_(ID_4515Atlr5GztBAGyzS4Jyw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
I have a command that I use for keeping more databases straight:
 
copy core.db coreold.db
copy corenew.db core.db
start winmoo -l moo.log -o core.db corenew.db
 
This saves my old core as coreold.db (in case I need to do a rollback).  It copies the latest version of the core (corenew.db) to core.db
 
It then starts the moo using core.db and writing all updates to corenew.db
 
Aldon
-----Original Message-----
From: moo-cows-bounces@moo-cows.com [mailto:moo-cows-bounces@moo-cows.com]On Behalf Of tyler littlefield
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 12:49 PM
To: General MOO discussion.
Subject: [Moo-cows] help with winmoo

Hay list,
I have a problem.
When I restart my computer, I get my last db, and I have to shut down the service, replace the db with the backup, and then start the service again.
Is this possible to fix?
Thanks,
--Boundary_(ID_4515Atlr5GztBAGyzS4Jyw)-- From compgeek13@gmail.com Sat Nov 26 00:20:53 2005 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.205]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jAQ6Ko2D011496 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:20:51 -0600 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id n29so2583449nzf for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 22:20:51 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:reply-to:from:to:subject:date:organization:mime-version:content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=pfK7cH1mAeAYw9XNvQe1KN3wXoUOPE9YugmJSqawfTRz0tyr0iAxErI+25D8IF/PmdjT7XXk+qGry1d76B660kt4PiZ2B/AQl1h8oIDehvPKmmgKyPC5OdNbG/LrXNjHzUNr2V6ovSkk9SmMtqLlU7jpflMkXyav/G2QE2u3iL0= Received: by 10.36.227.10 with SMTP id z10mr1668189nzg; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 22:20:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from tyler ( [207.174.192.34]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 5sm3875586nzk.2005.11.25.22.20.50; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 22:20:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000a01c5f251$36f18d80$6501a8c0@tyler> From: "tyler littlefield" To: "General MOO discussion." Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 23:18:25 -0700 Organization: dataplus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C5F216.897E8660" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [Moo-cows] unexplained error X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: tyler littlefield , "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 06:20:53 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C5F216.897E8660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hay, I am getting the error "resource limit exceded." What does that = mean? Thanks, ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C5F216.897E8660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hay, I am getting the error "resource = limit=20 exceded." What does that mean?
Thanks,
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C5F216.897E8660-- From tvdijen@planet.nl Sat Nov 26 00:23:35 2005 Received: from smtp17.wxs.nl (smtp17.wxs.nl [195.121.247.8]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jAQ6NS1D011693 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:23:28 -0600 Received: from [10.0.0.101] (ip3e835ea5.speed.planet.nl [62.131.94.165]) by smtp17.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IQJ00GIVTR4ZE@smtp17.wxs.nl> for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:23:28 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:23:37 +0100 From: Tim van Dijen Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] unexplained error In-reply-to: <000a01c5f251$36f18d80$6501a8c0@tyler> To: tyler littlefield , "General MOO discussion." Message-id: <4387FF69.8060603@planet.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) References: <000a01c5f251$36f18d80$6501a8c0@tyler> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Cc: X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 06:23:35 -0000 tyler littlefield wrote: > Hay, I am getting the error "resource limit exceded." What does that mean? > Thanks, > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Moo-cows mailing list >Moo-cows@moo-cows.com >http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows > > It means you're out of quota... It could also mean you're out of diskspace. Goblin From compgeek13@gmail.com Sun Nov 27 21:02:46 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jAS32atL020316 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:02:36 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-3.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 113093172 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:02:36 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c5f3c8$2ff5e4e0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:02:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [Moo-cows] how to call a $wiz? X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 03:02:47 -0000 Hay, how would I call a verb on another object? I have $wiz:isidle(); in my code, and it says verb not found. Thanks, Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] From groucho7@operamail.com Mon Nov 28 04:05:09 2005 Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jASA579s032409 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 04:05:07 -0600 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 04AF21800120 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:05:05 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.232) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 28 Nov 2005 10:05:04 -0000 Received: by ws5-11.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C3595CA0E5; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:05:04 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Gary Foiles" To: "General MOO discussion." Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 04:05:04 -0600 Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] how to call a $wiz? Received: from [71.50.20.89] by ws5-11.us4.outblaze.com with http for groucho7@operamail.com; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 04:05:04 -0600 X-Originating-Ip: 71.50.20.89 X-Originating-Server: ws5-11.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20051128100504.C3595CA0E5@ws5-11.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by new.cgi101.com id jASA579s032409 X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:05:09 -0000 Do you have a verb on $wiz named isidle? Is it set +x to make it callable? Gary Foiles ----- Original Message ----- From: tyler Subject: [Moo-cows] how to call a $wiz? Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:02:36 -0800 > > Hay, how would I call a verb on another object? I have $wiz:isidle(); in my code, and it says verb not found. -- _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 8 at http://www.opera.com Powered by Outblaze From compgeek13@gmail.com Mon Nov 28 15:58:25 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jASLwGm8003310 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:58:17 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-3.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 113606389 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:52:48 -0700 Message-ID: <002e01c5f466$14a079f0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." References: <20051128100504.C3595CA0E5@ws5-11.us4.outblaze.com> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] how to call a $wiz? Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:52:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:58:27 -0000 I don't know if it is set to +x, how do I check, and if it isn't, set it? and yes, I do have a verb called isidle on $wiz. Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Foiles" To: "General MOO discussion." Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 2:05 AM Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] how to call a $wiz? > Do you have a verb on $wiz named isidle? > Is it set +x to make it callable? > > Gary Foiles > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: tyler > Subject: [Moo-cows] how to call a $wiz? > Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:02:36 -0800 > > > > Hay, how would I call a verb on another object? I have $wiz:isidle(); in my code, and it says verb not found. > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: > Download Opera 8 at http://www.opera.com > > Powered by Outblaze > > _______________________________________________ > Moo-cows mailing list > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows From roys@mindspring.com Mon Nov 28 16:21:06 2005 Received: from [10.0.1.39] (datanet-datanet-psr2169366.z104-101-207.customer.algx.net [207.101.104.46]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jASMKsWl006905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:20:57 -0600 Message-ID: <438B82BB.8000608@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:20:43 -0500 From: Roy Sutton User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.4 (Windows/20050908) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "General MOO discussion." Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] how to call a $wiz? References: <20051128100504.C3595CA0E5@ws5-11.us4.outblaze.com> <002e01c5f466$14a079f0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> In-Reply-To: <002e01c5f466$14a079f0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:21:08 -0000 @show $wiz:isidle This will show the verb and its settings. @chmod will change the properties Try: @help @chmod Also, try 'help programming' and then go into each one of the things listed there. Both @show and @chmod are described in 'help programming' Roy tyler wrote: > I don't know if it is set to +x, how do I check, and if it isn't, set it? > and yes, I do have a verb called isidle on $wiz. > Tyler Littlefield. > Check out our website: > http://tysplace.the-leetest.net > check out my blog: > livejournal.com/~tylerrl > [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Foiles" > To: "General MOO discussion." > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 2:05 AM > Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] how to call a $wiz? > > > >> Do you have a verb on $wiz named isidle? >> Is it set +x to make it callable? >> >> Gary Foiles >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: tyler >> Subject: [Moo-cows] how to call a $wiz? >> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:02:36 -0800 >> >>> Hay, how would I call a verb on another object? I have $wiz:isidle(); in >>> > my code, and it says verb not found. > >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: >> Download Opera 8 at http://www.opera.com >> >> Powered by Outblaze >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moo-cows mailing list >> Moo-cows@moo-cows.com >> http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows >> > > _______________________________________________ > Moo-cows mailing list > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows > > > > From compgeek13@gmail.com Mon Nov 28 16:29:57 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jASMTqxX007902 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:29:52 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-3.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 113648555 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:29:52 -0700 Message-ID: <001101c5f46b$41eaebc0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." References: <20051128100504.C3595CA0E5@ws5-11.us4.outblaze.com><002e01c5f466$14a079f0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <438B82BB.8000608@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] how to call a $wiz? Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:29:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:30:05 -0000 awesome, thanks. I just booted my first idle player! Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Sutton" To: "General MOO discussion." Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] how to call a $wiz? > @show $wiz:isidle > > This will show the verb and its settings. > > @chmod will change the properties > > Try: @help @chmod > > Also, try 'help programming' and then go into each one of the things > listed there. Both @show and @chmod are described in 'help programming' > > Roy > > tyler wrote: > > I don't know if it is set to +x, how do I check, and if it isn't, set it? > > and yes, I do have a verb called isidle on $wiz. > > Tyler Littlefield. > > Check out our website: > > http://tysplace.the-leetest.net > > check out my blog: > > livejournal.com/~tylerrl > > [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gary Foiles" > > To: "General MOO discussion." > > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 2:05 AM > > Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] how to call a $wiz? > > > > > > > >> Do you have a verb on $wiz named isidle? > >> Is it set +x to make it callable? > >> > >> Gary Foiles > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: tyler > >> Subject: [Moo-cows] how to call a $wiz? > >> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:02:36 -0800 > >> > >>> Hay, how would I call a verb on another object? I have $wiz:isidle(); in > >>> > > my code, and it says verb not found. > > > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: > >> Download Opera 8 at http://www.opera.com > >> > >> Powered by Outblaze > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Moo-cows mailing list > >> Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > >> http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Moo-cows mailing list > > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moo-cows mailing list > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows From jung@uib.no Mon Nov 28 17:05:02 2005 Received: from noralf.uib.no (noralf.uib.no [129.177.30.12]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jASN4vLX013133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:04:59 -0600 Received: from alfred.uib.no (smtp.uib.no) [129.177.30.120] by noralf.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Egs3D-0002Yg-Jc; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 00:04:48 +0100 Received: from 117.84-48-30.nextgentel.com ([10.24.104.18]) [84.48.30.117] by smtp.uib.no for moo-cows@moo-cows.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Egs3D-00051a-CU; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 00:04:47 +0100 Message-ID: <438B8D76.6070307@uib.no> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 00:06:30 +0100 From: Daniel Jung User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "General MOO discussion." Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] how to call a $wiz? References: <20051128100504.C3595CA0E5@ws5-11.us4.outblaze.com><002e01c5f466$14a079f0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <438B82BB.8000608@mindspring.com> <001101c5f46b$41eaebc0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> In-Reply-To: <001101c5f46b$41eaebc0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on noralf X-Scanner: 00b7a4c1c5c40a7ec8fbeb1afc17e97d http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: 0 hits, 8.0 required X-UiB-SpamReport: spamassassin found; X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:05:05 -0000 Hi Ty tyler wrote: > awesome, thanks. I just booted my first idle player! Let me allow to give you a piece of advice on location and wording of verbs. It might be wise to put verbs on whatever object they are saying something about (or on the object which is most likely to change the result). When you posted the message "How can I call $wiz:isidle()", it never struck me that something other than the wiz should be checked for idleness. Especially since you didn't provide any argument to the verb (the parentheses were empty). Thus there was no indication of what the wiz should work with (i.e., check). In your case, if you want to find out if a $player is idle, you might want to put that verb on the player itself. Then, you wouldn't need arguments at all. Consider the following and tell me what makes more sense: if ($wizard:isidle(player)) => do something endif if (player:isidle()) => do something endif Besides putting verbs on the objects they actually say something about, you should be especially carefull when putting verbs on wizards. They tend to run with wizard permissions, which might not be what you wanted. You can set the owner of the verb to $hacker, allright, but it would make no sense to keep the verb on the wizard if the wizard is not owning it. Running the builtin "idle_seconds(player)", which I guess you are evaluating in your verb, doesn't need wiz perms anyhow. But if, for whatever reason, you do want to keep the verb on the wizard, consider changing the verb name to something more intuitive (or, less missguiding) than "isidle". Consider the following and tell me what makes more sense: if ($wizard:isidle(player)) => do something endif if ($wizard:check_player_idleness(player)) => do something endif Then, you might consider putting undercores in composed verb names. Especially long ones and those which actually represent boolean statements are more legible when they read :has_verb() :is_integer() :set_property() :init_for_core() That goes for properties as well. I have read your homepage and I understand that you are blind, or near-blind. (I find it amazing that you engage in such projects, given your age and background!) I have no idea how you actually read code, how screenreaders pronounce underscores in names, or what an underscore in Braille means for your reading of texts. But for the rest of us, underscores really do help. Good luck, Ty - Daniel From agrajag@dragaera.net Mon Nov 28 17:10:54 2005 Received: from compton.acpub.duke.edu (compton.acpub.duke.edu [152.3.233.74]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jASNAm9C013639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:10:50 -0600 Received: from [24.225.64.200] (user-0ce2g68.cable.mindspring.com [24.225.64.200]) by compton.acpub.duke.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10/Duke-5.0.0) with ESMTP id jASNAbeV014526; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:10:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <438B8E6D.5080602@dragaera.net> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:10:37 -0500 From: Jag User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6-1.4.1.centos4 (X11/20050721) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "General MOO discussion." Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] how to call a $wiz? References: <20051128100504.C3595CA0E5@ws5-11.us4.outblaze.com><002e01c5f466$14a079f0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <438B82BB.8000608@mindspring.com> <001101c5f46b$41eaebc0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <438B8D76.6070307@uib.no> In-Reply-To: <438B8D76.6070307@uib.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:10:55 -0000 Daniel Jung wrote: > Hi Ty > > tyler wrote: > >> awesome, thanks. I just booted my first idle player! > > > Let me allow to give you a piece of advice on location and wording of > verbs. > > It might be wise to put verbs on whatever object they are saying > something about (or on the object which is most likely to change the > result). When you posted the message "How can I call $wiz:isidle()", it > never struck me that something other than the wiz should be checked for > idleness. Especially since you didn't provide any argument to the verb > (the parentheses were empty). Thus there was no indication of what the > wiz should work with (i.e., check). In your case, if you want to find > out if a $player is idle, you might want to put that verb on the player > itself. Then, you wouldn't need arguments at all. Consider the following > and tell me what makes more sense: > > if ($wizard:isidle(player)) > => do something > endif > > if (player:isidle()) > => do something > endif > This is not always a good idea. If 'player' is a programmer, then they can create an :isidle() on themselves that will override the :isidle() from $player and thus make it so that it always returns 0 (which I'm assuming would mean not-idle). From jung@uib.no Mon Nov 28 17:31:02 2005 Received: from noralf.uib.no (noralf.uib.no [129.177.30.12]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jASNUtfM016871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:30:57 -0600 Received: from alfred.uib.no (smtp.uib.no) [129.177.30.120] by noralf.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EgsSV-0004Gq-2l; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 00:30:55 +0100 Received: from 117.84-48-30.nextgentel.com ([10.24.104.18]) [84.48.30.117] by smtp.uib.no for moo-cows@moo-cows.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EgsSU-00057t-R9; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 00:30:54 +0100 Message-ID: <438B9395.6070902@uib.no> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 00:32:37 +0100 From: Daniel Jung User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "General MOO discussion." Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] how to call a $wiz? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:31:03 -0000 Jag wrote: >> >> if ($wizard:isidle(player)) >> => do something >> endif >> >> if (player:isidle()) >> => do something >> endif >> > > This is not always a good idea. If 'player' is a programmer, then they > can create an :isidle() on themselves that will override the :isidle() > from $player and thus make it so that it always returns 0 (which I'm > assuming would mean not-idle). Correct. You could always check ;`$object_utils:has_callable_verb(player, "isidle")[1] ! E_TYPE => #-1' == $player && player:isidle() but that's gross... And a simple ;$player:isidle(player) seems to make as much sense as having it on the wiz. Still, there is already a verb "$object_utils:connected()", so maybe an ":isidle()" is better off being put on $object_utils. Or a kind of Who_Browser (if that exists in the the db). There it might serve for mobs, puppets, bots, clocks or what-not as well. But I don't know - I just don't like it on the wiz somehow. Not a big deal anyway in this case. - Daniel From jung@uib.no Mon Nov 28 17:39:24 2005 Received: from noralf.uib.no (noralf.uib.no [129.177.30.12]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jASNdEWF017683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:39:16 -0600 Received: from alfred.uib.no (smtp.uib.no) [129.177.30.120] by noralf.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EgsaX-0004ku-Ck; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 00:39:14 +0100 Received: from 117.84-48-30.nextgentel.com ([10.24.104.18]) [84.48.30.117] by smtp.uib.no for moo-cows@moo-cows.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EgsaX-00059p-6E; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 00:39:13 +0100 Message-ID: <438B9588.3020606@uib.no> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 00:40:56 +0100 From: Daniel Jung User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "General MOO discussion." Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] how to call a $wiz? References: <20051128100504.C3595CA0E5@ws5-11.us4.outblaze.com><002e01c5f466$14a079f0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <438B82BB.8000608@mindspring.com> <001101c5f46b$41eaebc0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <438B8D76.6070307@uib.no> <438B8E6D.5080602@dragaera.net> <438B9395.6070902@uib.no> In-Reply-To: <438B9395.6070902@uib.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on noralf X-Scanner: 14b620aea88333c3e6675053d3bebbba http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: 0 hits, 8.0 required X-UiB-SpamReport: spamassassin found; X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:39:26 -0000 Sorry, I sent it just too quickly. The check should have been ;`$object_utils:has_callable_verb(player, "isidle")[1] == $player ! E_TYPE => 0' && player:isidle() and the > Or a kind of > Who_Browser (if that exists in the the db). There it might serve for > mobs, puppets, bots, clocks or what-not as well. should be: "... But if it's defined on $object_utils, it might even serve for non-player objects like ... " Arrg. Time to go to bed. - Daniel From compgeek13@gmail.com Mon Nov 28 19:34:41 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jAT1YbJ5005778 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:34:37 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-2.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 242836298 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:34:37 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c5f485$11474bc0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:34:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [Moo-cows] help with code? X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 01:34:42 -0000 Hay people, Well, if you remember earlier, I asked aboutthe resource limit error. Well, I tried this code on another moo, and got the same problem, and my quota looks perfectly fine. Could someone maybe tell me if it is in the code? #4032:buy none none none 1: if (player.cash < 20.0) 2: player:tell("sorry, but you need 20 credits to purchase a backpack"); 3: return; 4: endif 5: player:tell("you purchase a backpack for 20 credits."); 6: player:tell("please wait, while it is being made."); 7: suspend(3); 8: backpack = create($backpack); 9: backpack.owner = player; 10: backpack.name = "a shiney new backpack"; 11: backpack.aliases = listappend(backpack.aliases, "backpack"); 12: player.cash = player.cash - 20.0; 13: move(backpack, player); 14: player:tell("you see a backpack come speeding out to you on a cart."); 15: player:tell("you pick up the backpack, and note tle light weight of it, you realize that it would be a good idea to wear it."); 16: return; Thanks, Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] From sethirich@gmail.com Mon Nov 28 20:06:24 2005 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.195]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jAT26Lbi010042 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:06:21 -0600 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m22so2446247nzf for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:06:21 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Clc4oHepJeKcNAW5vjW/+wMe90u2WlvEMHiH56pyV9sG8L9+jhAwy6mSkHTngkPpYoxgqNzANdB5REXawTQNW01rB9a31UV/xgCs+i20ZQIZIVQmjKTvL0u51yPKXbVoadMPrFiFBkHFPNuQBVtByl0T3TJ8GpS+LHZ9q9mKvQ4= Received: by 10.64.183.2 with SMTP id g2mr2184233qbf; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:06:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.180.6 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:06:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <94a523700511281806w5f0f7172w10be83de0b3edbeb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:06:21 -0500 From: "Seth I. Rich" Sender: sethirich@gmail.com To: "General MOO discussion." Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with code? In-Reply-To: <000701c5f485$11474bc0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_28064_28699958.1133229981415" References: <000701c5f485$11474bc0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 02:06:25 -0000 ------=_Part_28064_28699958.1133229981415 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline You're using some builtins where you should be calling routines on the player. For example: 8: backpack =3D create($backpack); will fail on systems with byte-based quota, because create() uses object-based. You can use player:_create($backpack) or $recycler:create($backpack) -- I must be honest that I'm typing this withou= t logging on to a MOO to refresh my memory. 9: backpack.owner =3D player; Bad practice. Try doing a set_task_perms(player); at the start of your code, and then there's no .owner stuff. (What about property ownership? Setting .owner won't do what you want.) 13: move(backpack, player); Again, move() is a builtin. Try backpack:moveto(player) instead. Seth / Blackbriar -- Seth I. Rich - seth@briar.com Rabbits on walls, no problem. ------=_Part_28064_28699958.1133229981415 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline You're using some builtins where you should be calling routines on the play= er.  For example:

8: &nbs= p;backpack =3D create($backpack);

will fail on systems with byte-based quota, because create() uses object-based.  You can use <= span style=3D"text-decoration: underline;">player:_create($backpack)= or=20 $recycler:create($backpack) -- I must be honest that I'm typing this without logging on to a MOO to= refresh my memory.

9: &nb= sp;backpack.owner =3D player;

Bad practice.  Try doing a set_task_perms(player); at the start of your code, and then there's no .owner stuff.  (What about property ownership?  Setting .owner won't do what you want.) 

13:  move(backpack, player);

Again, move() is a built= in.  Try backpack:moveto(p= layer) instead.
 
Seth / Blackbriar
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Rabbits on walls, no problem. ------=_Part_28064_28699958.1133229981415-- From compgeek13@gmail.com Mon Nov 28 20:54:01 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jAT2rqns030055 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:53:53 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-3.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 113794902 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:53:52 -0700 Message-ID: <002001c5f490$23274010$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." References: <000701c5f485$11474bc0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <94a523700511281806w5f0f7172w10be83de0b3edbeb@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with code? Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:53:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C5F44D.146DDA90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 02:54:02 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C5F44D.146DDA90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hay, thanks to all who contributed. Sorry for all the questions. Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Seth I. Rich=20 To: General MOO discussion.=20 Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with code? You're using some builtins where you should be calling routines on the = player. For example: 8: backpack =3D create($backpack); will fail on systems with byte-based quota, because create() uses = object-based. You can use player:_create($backpack) or = $recycler:create($backpack) -- I must be honest that I'm typing this = without logging on to a MOO to refresh my memory. 9: backpack.owner =3D player; Bad practice. Try doing a set_task_perms(player); at the start of = your code, and then there's no .owner stuff. (What about property = ownership? Setting .owner won't do what you want.)=20 13: move(backpack, player); Again, move() is a builtin. Try backpack:moveto(player) instead. =20 Seth / Blackbriar --=20 Seth I. Rich - seth@briar.com Rabbits on walls, no problem.=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- _______________________________________________ Moo-cows mailing list Moo-cows@moo-cows.com http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C5F44D.146DDA90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hay, thanks to all who = contributed.
Sorry for all the = questions.
Tyler Littlefield.
Check out our website:
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Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help = with=20 code?

You're using some builtins where you should be calling = routines=20 on the player.  For example:

8:  backpack=20 =3D create($backpack);

will fail on systems with byte-based quota, because create() uses = object-based. =20 You can use player:_create($backpack) = or $recycler:create($backpack) -- I=20 must be honest that I'm typing this without logging on to a MOO to = refresh my=20 memory.

9:  backpack.owner=20 =3D player;

Bad practice.  Try doing a set_task_perms(player); at = the start=20 of your code, and then there's no .owner stuff.  (What about = property=20 ownership?  Setting .owner won't do what you = want.) 

13:  move(backpack,=20 player);

Again, move() is a=20 builtin.  Try backpack:moveto(player)=20 instead.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C5F44D.146DDA90-- From jung@uib.no Wed Nov 30 05:27:33 2005 Received: from beci.com (www.the-b.org [66.148.239.44]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jAUBRTsw007371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 05:27:30 -0600 Received: from noralf.uib.no ([129.177.30.12] verified) by beci.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with ESMTPS id 4371663 for moo-cows@the-b.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 05:27:28 -0600 Received-SPF: pass receiver=beci.com; client-ip=129.177.30.12; envelope-from=jung@uib.no Received: from alfred.uib.no (smtp.uib.no) [129.177.30.120] by noralf.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EhQ7O-000592-Bg; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:27:23 +0100 Received: from 75.84-48-95.nextgentel.com ([10.0.0.3]) [84.48.95.75] by smtp.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EhQ7O-0005oy-4U; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:27:22 +0100 Message-ID: <438D8CEF.4090102@uib.no> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:28:47 +0100 From: Daniel Jung User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: encore , "Discussion related to the MOO platform." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on noralf X-Scanner: a2df3c60764cab8e2badb74eff3177b2 http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: 0 hits, 8.0 required X-UiB-SpamReport: spamassassin found; X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Cc: Subject: [Moo-cows] performance X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:27:33 -0000 Hi I really need some kind of performance measuring for MOO. Ideally, it would be a verbose output of the actions run on one task. ------------------- task_id: 4732647196 ------------------- #123:go => used 24 ticks until line 14 called #123:continue => used 33 ticks until line 7 called #255:make => used 144 ticks until line 22 forked #255:bg_check => see task_id: 8902850280 called #83:check => used 200 ticks until line 65 ------------------- Has anybody done such a kind of measurement yet? And would share the code? Thanks - Daniel From compgeek13@gmail.com Wed Nov 30 22:58:09 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jB14w54O009664 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:58:05 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-1.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 325600374 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:58:05 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c5f633$d2fe66e0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:58:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [Moo-cows] how-to? X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 04:58:10 -0000 Hello list, I have a quick question. I am currently trying to make a little transportation system from continet to continet on my moo. How would you suggest I hide exits until the transport has moved to the continet, then show the exit to the continet? Thanks, Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] From compgeek13@gmail.com Thu Dec 1 15:07:03 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jB1L6xMq029285 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:06:59 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-1.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 326035136 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 14:06:57 -0700 Message-ID: <001201c5f6bb$2d4c0080$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:07:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [Moo-cows] help with room properties? X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:07:05 -0000 Hello list, I am currently trying to construct a store. I am trying to do the following, add an object to a list, when I do listappend(here.inventory, dobj); it tells me that the property was not found. Any ideas on how I could re-phrase that expression so the moo would like it better? Thanks, Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] From compgeek13@gmail.com Thu Dec 1 17:06:13 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jB1N67Sb014341 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:06:07 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-2.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 244856216 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 16:06:07 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c5f6cb$d36bab90$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:06:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [Moo-cows] my property problem partialy solved. X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 23:06:15 -0000 Ok, I have been taking this time to work out the problem, that I wrote about, and have posted out what I have done to wry to work it out to you below. Can someone tell me why this won't work? it is driving me mad! Thanks Property added with value 0. That object does not define that property. Property removed. Property added with value 0. Property removed. Property added with value {}. Verb added (2). [Verb Editor] Do a 'look' to get the list of commands, or 'help' for assistance. You can go nowhere. Now editing #4045:additem (any none none). Line 1 added. Line 2 added. Line 3 added. #4045:additem successfully compiled. [communications store] You see nothing special. You can go South. now adding a handheld radio to the store's inventory. a handheld radio has been added to the inventory. .inventory thecreator (#43020) r c {} -------------------------------- finished --------------------------------- Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] From compgeek13@gmail.com Fri Dec 2 17:57:26 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jB2NvNrl021797 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:57:23 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-1.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 326941149; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:57:16 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c5f79c$2378df10$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:57:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 18:01:25 -0600 Cc: Subject: [Moo-cows] moo sourcecode database help wanted! X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 23:57:27 -0000 hay all. I am writing some useful verbs/objects/what ever, and am going to be putting them up well, some of them up in a database, I would be really appriciative if someone could possibly build the admin or something and host the thing, as I don't want to do it. ug. I need a way to organize my code, possibly reference functions, and etc, and also, a way to let users view it. If someone would be willing to write the php code, and host this, as I don't have the server space/resources on my website for it, please let me know. Also, any moo code is welcome! just send it to compgeek13@gmail.com Please be sure that this code is not copyright, protected, or in any form protected, so that it won't be possible to publicly post it. Thanks in advanced, Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] From compgeek13@gmail.com Sat Dec 3 19:13:21 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jB41D9r2004419 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 19:13:09 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-1.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 327641395 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:13:08 -0700 Message-ID: <001901c5f86f$e36284b0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 17:13:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [Moo-cows] help with some annoying code please! X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 01:13:22 -0000 Hay list, Can someone help me in debugging this bit of code? player:tell($gender_utils:pronoun_sub("%{:He} %{!is} ", this.position, "ing on a ", this.obj, "."); I would also like to be able to get the articles to agree if possible, for example, if the player.obj starts with a consinate, then it will be sitting on a but if it is a vowel, then it will be sitting on an. Any idea on how to do this? Thanks in advanced, Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] From roys@mindspring.com Sat Dec 3 22:06:26 2005 Received: from fall-curlleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net (fall-curlleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.105]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jB446K8r009685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 22:06:21 -0600 Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net ([207.69.200.40]) by fall-curlleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Eijqw-0002pb-Nr for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 21:43:50 -0500 Received: from dialup-4.249.15.250.dial1.washington2.level3.net ([4.249.15.250] helo=[192.168.0.147]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EijnJ-0005Uu-00 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 21:40:05 -0500 Message-ID: <439256F3.3060206@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 21:39:47 -0500 From: Roy Sutton User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.4 (Windows/20050908) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "General MOO discussion." Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with some annoying code please! References: <001901c5f86f$e36284b0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> In-Reply-To: <001901c5f86f$e36284b0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 04:06:31 -0000 Try: help $string_utils Or go here: http://it.uwp.edu/moo/string.html tyler wrote: > Hay list, > Can someone help me in debugging this bit of code? > player:tell($gender_utils:pronoun_sub("%{:He} %{!is} ", this.position, "ing > on a ", this.obj, "."); > I would also like to be able to get the articles to agree if possible, for > example, if the player.obj starts with a consinate, then it will be sitting > on a but if it is a vowel, then it will be sitting on an. Any idea on how to > do this? > Thanks in advanced, > Tyler Littlefield. > Check out our website: > http://tysplace.the-leetest.net > check out my blog: > livejournal.com/~tylerrl > [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] > > > _______________________________________________ > Moo-cows mailing list > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows > > > > From compgeek13@gmail.com Sun Dec 4 02:50:33 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jB48oSpp005863 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 02:50:28 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-3.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 117381802 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 01:50:27 -0700 Message-ID: <002801c5f8af$c590bed0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." References: <001901c5f86f$e36284b0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <439256F3.3060206@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with some annoying code please! Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 00:50:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 08:50:34 -0000 is there a way you could help with the string? it gave me a bad error, one of those parse errors, where it doesn't give you anything but, and your left to figure it out yourself, and I am at a loss. Thanks, Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Sutton" To: "General MOO discussion." Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with some annoying code please! > Try: help $string_utils > > Or go here: > > http://it.uwp.edu/moo/string.html > > tyler wrote: > > Hay list, > > Can someone help me in debugging this bit of code? > > player:tell($gender_utils:pronoun_sub("%{:He} %{!is} ", this.position, "ing > > on a ", this.obj, "."); > > I would also like to be able to get the articles to agree if possible, for > > example, if the player.obj starts with a consinate, then it will be sitting > > on a but if it is a vowel, then it will be sitting on an. Any idea on how to > > do this? > > Thanks in advanced, > > Tyler Littlefield. > > Check out our website: > > http://tysplace.the-leetest.net > > check out my blog: > > livejournal.com/~tylerrl > > [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Moo-cows mailing list > > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moo-cows mailing list > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows From roys@mindspring.com Sun Dec 4 05:41:48 2005 Received: from pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.48]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jB4Bfcl5021306 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 05:41:39 -0600 Received: from dialup-4.249.171.1.dial1.washington2.level3.net ([4.249.171.1] helo=[192.168.0.147]) by pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EisFN-0002A3-00 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 06:41:37 -0500 Message-ID: <4392D5DE.5010506@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 06:41:18 -0500 From: Roy Sutton User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.4 (Windows/20050908) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "General MOO discussion." Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with some annoying code please! References: <001901c5f86f$e36284b0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <439256F3.3060206@mindspring.com> <002801c5f8af$c590bed0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> In-Reply-To: <002801c5f8af$c590bed0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 11:41:49 -0000 Tyler, Think about what a parse error is... It means that line of code doesn't make the computer happy. An error on execution would indicate that the computer didn't like the arguments to a function. Parse error is more basic. Count up the punctuation and see if you find the problem. Sometimes on really complex statements you need to just get out a piece of paper and break down the components and see if they all make sense. Roy tyler wrote: > is there a way you could help with the string? it gave me a bad error, one > of those parse errors, where it doesn't give you anything but, and your left > to figure it out yourself, and I am at a loss. > Thanks, > Tyler Littlefield. > Check out our website: > http://tysplace.the-leetest.net > check out my blog: > livejournal.com/~tylerrl > [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] > [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roy Sutton" > To: "General MOO discussion." > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 6:39 PM > Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with some annoying code please! > > > >> Try: help $string_utils >> >> Or go here: >> >> http://it.uwp.edu/moo/string.html >> >> tyler wrote: >> >>> Hay list, >>> Can someone help me in debugging this bit of code? >>> player:tell($gender_utils:pronoun_sub("%{:He} %{!is} ", this.position, >>> > "ing > >>> on a ", this.obj, "."); >>> I would also like to be able to get the articles to agree if possible, >>> > for > >>> example, if the player.obj starts with a consinate, then it will be >>> > sitting > >>> on a but if it is a vowel, then it will be sitting on an. Any idea on >>> > how to > >>> do this? >>> Thanks in advanced, >>> Tyler Littlefield. >>> Check out our website: >>> http://tysplace.the-leetest.net >>> check out my blog: >>> livejournal.com/~tylerrl >>> [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moo-cows mailing list >>> Moo-cows@moo-cows.com >>> http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moo-cows mailing list >> Moo-cows@moo-cows.com >> http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows >> > > _______________________________________________ > Moo-cows mailing list > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows > > > > From sethirich@gmail.com Sun Dec 4 06:52:39 2005 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.199]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jB4CqYUg030629 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 06:52:34 -0600 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 4so939621nzn for ; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 04:52:34 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=nQ+xQaxJp2ugMUtpOlM0W6C1sbHAwUQoXIk8rnQd1bPNy+psONPXcnWQePl9vArNNKUXr52TLojdS7GTyicn/bqNqluM7CejyQxjbIH6HLa+TdRxVmAV6uPZbFhGbMJXpzGr9wqiaGA3QEg6OOFHBJLAJY5AvfC8iq5s6TOlf1c= Received: by 10.64.232.11 with SMTP id e11mr2250983qbh; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 04:52:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.180.6 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 04:52:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <94a523700512040452qbbc9d90h6351ee12aa715e5b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 07:52:33 -0500 From: "Seth I. Rich" Sender: sethirich@gmail.com To: "General MOO discussion." Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with some annoying code please! In-Reply-To: <001901c5f86f$e36284b0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_20278_14132653.1133700753837" References: <001901c5f86f$e36284b0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 12:52:40 -0000 ------=_Part_20278_14132653.1133700753837 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Count the parentheses. You have two open and one closed. On 12/3/05, tyler wrote: > > Hay list, > Can someone help me in debugging this bit of code? > player:tell($gender_utils:pronoun_sub("%{:He} %{!is} ", this.position, > "ing > on a ", this.obj, "."); > I would also like to be able to get the articles to agree if possible, fo= r > example, if the player.obj starts with a consinate, then it will be > sitting > on a but if it is a vowel, then it will be sitting on an. Any idea on how > to > do this? > Thanks in advanced, > Tyler Littlefield. > Check out our website: > http://tysplace.the-leetest.net > check out my blog: > livejournal.com/~tylerrl > [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] > > > _______________________________________________ > Moo-cows mailing list > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows > -- Seth I. Rich - seth@briar.com Rabbits on walls, no problem. ------=_Part_20278_14132653.1133700753837 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Count the parentheses.  You have two open and one closed.

= On 12/3/05, tyler= <compgeek13@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
Hay list,<= br>Can someone help me in debugging this bit of code?
player:tell($gende= r_utils:pronoun_sub("%{:He} %{!is} ",=20 this.position, "ing
on a ", this.obj, ".");
I wou= ld also like to be able to get the articles to agree if possible, for
ex= ample, if the player.obj starts with a consinate, then it will be sitting
on a but if it is a vowel, then it will be sitting on an. Any idea on h= ow to
do this?
Thanks in advanced,
Tyler Littlefield.
Check out= our website:
http://tysplac= e.the-leetest.net
check out my blog:
l= ivejournal.com/~tylerrl
[my programs don't have bugs, just randomly = added features]


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Rabbits on walls, no problem. ------=_Part_20278_14132653.1133700753837-- From compgeek13@gmail.com Sun Dec 4 11:55:39 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jB4HtYqC028324 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:55:34 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-1.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 328067769 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 10:55:33 -0700 Message-ID: <005601c5f8fb$ec2fc300$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." References: <001901c5f86f$e36284b0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <94a523700512040452qbbc9d90h6351ee12aa715e5b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with some annoying code please! Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:55:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01C5F8B8.DC260FC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 17:55:41 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C5F8B8.DC260FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable um... thanks, My screen reader doesn't pick those up as easily. Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Seth I. Rich=20 To: General MOO discussion.=20 Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 4:52 AM Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with some annoying code please! Count the parentheses. You have two open and one closed. On 12/3/05, tyler wrote:=20 Hay list, Can someone help me in debugging this bit of code? player:tell($gender_utils:pronoun_sub("%{:He} %{!is} ", = this.position, "ing on a ", this.obj, "."); I would also like to be able to get the articles to agree if = possible, for example, if the player.obj starts with a consinate, then it will be = sitting=20 on a but if it is a vowel, then it will be sitting on an. Any idea = on how to do this? Thanks in advanced, Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net=20 check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] _______________________________________________=20 Moo-cows mailing list Moo-cows@moo-cows.com http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows --=20 Seth I. Rich - seth@briar.com Rabbits on walls, no problem.=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- _______________________________________________ Moo-cows mailing list Moo-cows@moo-cows.com http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C5F8B8.DC260FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
um... thanks, My screen reader doesn't = pick those=20 up as easily.
Tyler Littlefield.
Check out our website:
http://tysplace.the-leetest.net<= /A>
check=20 out my blog:
livejournal.com/~tylerrl
[my programs don't have = bugs, just=20 randomly added features]
[failure is not an option, it comes bundled = with=20 windows!]
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Seth I. = Rich
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 = 4:52=20 AM
Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help = with some=20 annoying code please!

Count the parentheses.  You have two open and one=20 closed.

On 12/3/05, tyler=20 <compgeek13@gmail.com> wrote: =
Hay=20 list,
Can someone help me in debugging this bit of=20 code?
player:tell($gender_utils:pronoun_sub("%{:He} %{!is} ",=20 this.position, "ing
on a ", this.obj, ".");
I would also like = to be=20 able to get the articles to agree if possible, for
example, if = the=20 player.obj starts with a consinate, then it will be sitting
on a = but if=20 it is a vowel, then it will be sitting on an. Any idea on how = to
do=20 this?
Thanks in advanced,
Tyler Littlefield.
Check out our=20 website:
http://tysplace.the-leetest.net =
check out my blog:
livejournal.com/~tylerrl
= [my=20 programs don't have bugs, just randomly added=20 features]


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Moo-cows@moo-cows.com
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Rabbits on walls, = no=20 problem.=20

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------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C5F8B8.DC260FC0-- From compgeek13@gmail.com Sun Dec 4 15:38:07 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jB4Lc1w1018520 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 15:38:01 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-3.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 117714249 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 14:38:00 -0700 Message-ID: <010901c5f91a$ffeaa1c0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:38:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [Moo-cows] help with code--still stuck X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 21:38:11 -0000 Ok, Here is what I did. I went to the website provided, and worked with balancing out the braces, but I still can't find it, can someone please help me? I am afraid I don't get the $gender_utils:pronoun_sub thing. player:tell($gender_utils:pronoun_sub("%{:He} %{!is"}), this.possition, "ing on a ", this.obj, "."); Thanks, Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] From jung@uib.no Sun Dec 4 16:55:39 2005 Received: from noralf.uib.no (noralf.uib.no [129.177.30.12]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jB4MtZIR026481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:55:37 -0600 Received: from alfred.uib.no (smtp.uib.no) [129.177.30.120] by noralf.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ej2lZ-0001I9-9L; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 23:55:34 +0100 Received: from 117.84-48-30.nextgentel.com ([10.24.104.19]) [84.48.30.117] by smtp.uib.no for moo-cows@moo-cows.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ej2lY-0001mI-VL; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 23:55:33 +0100 Message-ID: <4393743F.5030707@uib.no> Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 23:57:03 +0100 From: Daniel Jung User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "General MOO discussion." Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with code--still stuck References: <010901c5f91a$ffeaa1c0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> In-Reply-To: <010901c5f91a$ffeaa1c0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on noralf X-Scanner: d787774128f7d7c0d95d4e68d12496ef http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: 0 hits, 8.0 required X-UiB-SpamReport: spamassassin found; X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 22:55:40 -0000 tyler wrote: > I went to the website provided, and worked with balancing out the braces, Braces are OK. Check the parentheses! > player:tell($gender_utils:pronoun_sub( ... ); How many are there? - Daniel From compgeek13@gmail.com Sun Dec 4 20:05:13 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jB525A5k014396 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:05:10 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-1.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 328303822 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 19:05:08 -0700 Message-ID: <002001c5f940$51a0c100$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." References: <010901c5f91a$ffeaa1c0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <4393743F.5030707@uib.no> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with code--still stuck Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:05:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 02:05:14 -0000 I did this. __8_ player:tell($gender_utils:pronoun_sub("%{:He} %{!is"}), this.possition, "ing on a ", this.obj, "."); and am still getting an error! I don't see any problem with my parenthasees...? Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Jung" To: "General MOO discussion." Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with code--still stuck > tyler wrote: > > I went to the website provided, and worked with balancing out the braces, > > Braces are OK. Check the parentheses! > > > player:tell($gender_utils:pronoun_sub( ... ); > > How many are there? > > - Daniel > _______________________________________________ > Moo-cows mailing list > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows From compgeek13@gmail.com Sun Dec 4 20:18:38 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jB52IZNc016023 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:18:35 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-3.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 117834363 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 19:18:34 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01c5f942$3182ca60$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:18:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [Moo-cows] still having problems with properties on rooms X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 02:18:39 -0000 Hay list, I just went over my other log, and realized why people couldn't help. Here is a more detailed log. Thanks, say my problem is this: when I try to do the following it doesn't work. You say, "My problem is this: when I try to do the following it doesn't work." @rmprop here.inventory Property removed. @prop here.inventory {} Property added with value {}. @rmverb here:additem Verb #4045:additem (2) {any none none} removed. @verb here:additem any none none Verb added (2). @edit here:additem any none none [Verb Editor] Do a 'look' to get the list of commands, or 'help' for assistance. You can go nowhere. Now editing #4045:additem (any none none). "player:tell("now adding ", dobj.name, " to ", here.name, "."); Line 1 added. "listappend(here.inventory, dobj); Line 2 added. "player:tell("thanks, we have successfully added ", dobj.name, " to ", this.name, "'s inventory!"); Line 3 added. "return; Line 4 added. com #4045:additem (any none none) successfully compiled. q [communications store] You see nothing special. You can go South. #radio => #4241 (a handheld radio) additem radio #4045:additem, line 1: Variable not found (End of traceback) @edit here:additem [Verb Editor] Do a 'look' to get the list of commands, or 'help' for assistance. You can go nowhere. Now editing #4045:additem (any none none). list 1: player:tell("now adding ", dobj.name, " to ", here.name, "."); 2: listappend(here.inventory, dobj); 3: player:tell("thanks, we have successfully added ", dobj.name, " to ", this.name, "'s inventory!"); __4_ return; ^^^^ del 1 player:tell("now adding ", dobj.name, " to ", here.name, "."); ---Line deleted. Insertion point is before line 1. del 1 listappend(here.inventory, dobj); ---Line deleted. Insertion point is before line 1. del 1 player:tell("thanks, we have successfully added ", dobj.name, " to ", this.name, "'s inventory!"); ---Line deleted. Insertion point is before line 1. del 1 return; ---Line deleted. Insertion point is before line 1. "player:tell("now adding ", dobj.name, " to ", this.name, "."); Line 1 added. say I guesss we could use this as it is on a room? Line 2 added. "listappend(dobj, this.inventory); Line 3 added. list 1: player:tell("now adding ", dobj.name, " to ", this.name, "."); 2: I guesss we could use this as it is on a room? __3_ listappend(dobj, this.inventory); ^^^^ del 2 I guesss we could use this as it is on a room? ---Line deleted. Insertion point is before line 2. "player:tell("added ", dobj.name, " to ", this.name, "."); Line 2 added. com #4045:additem successfully compiled. quit [communications store] You see nothing special. You can go South. additem radio now adding a handheld radio to communications store. added a handheld radio to communications store. #4045:additem, line 3: Type mismatch (End of traceback) say what ever... no problem now You say, "What ever... no problem now" @d here.inventory .inventory thecreator (#43020) r c {} -------------------------------- finished --------------------------------- say my problem, is that it isn't addint the item to the inventory. You say, "My problem, is that it isn't addint the item to the inventory." Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] From jung@uib.no Mon Dec 5 03:53:27 2005 Received: from noralf.uib.no (noralf.uib.no [129.177.30.12]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jB59rLTO031123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 03:53:23 -0600 Received: from alfred.uib.no (smtp.uib.no) [129.177.30.120] by noralf.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EjD27-0004BS-Jc; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 10:53:20 +0100 Received: from 117.84-48-30.nextgentel.com ([10.24.104.19]) [84.48.30.117] by smtp.uib.no for moo-cows@moo-cows.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EjD27-0006FW-CM; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 10:53:19 +0100 Message-ID: <43940E6A.30608@uib.no> Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 10:54:50 +0100 From: Daniel Jung User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "General MOO discussion." Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] still having problems with properties on rooms References: <000b01c5f942$3182ca60$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> In-Reply-To: <000b01c5f942$3182ca60$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on noralf X-Scanner: 487b48ff6067ec5cf6276dd73d9510da http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: 0 hits, 8.0 required X-UiB-SpamReport: spamassassin found; X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 09:53:29 -0000 Hi To be honest, this is getting a little silly. > [longish session transcript] > "listappend(this.inventory, dobj); worked, while > "listappend(dobj, this.inventory); works not. It even prints out why: > #4045:additem, line 3: Type mismatch You should really get familiar with error types, both compile errors (parse errors) and runtime errors. "Type mismatch" means you are trying to do something with a piece of data, but it's structure doesn't allow that to happen. You simply can't add a list to an object, it doesn't make sense. listappend() has two arguments: FIRST the list onto which to append something, then the SOMETHING to be appended. You switched the order. Alternatively, you could write {@this.inventory, dobj} which appends the dobj at the end, or, in fact, {dobj, @this.inventory} to place it in front. There is no type mismatch in this syntax, because the @ before the list flattens it out and treats it as a series of single elements, in which any type of data can be inserted. Then: "listappend(this.inventory, dobj)" doesn't actually SET anything, it just appends one thing to the other. I guess you want to assign the new list to the property in question: this.inventory = listappend(this.inventory, dobj); Remember to switch the lines 2 and 3 again. Now, it says "added x to y" before the actual adding is done. It would be wiser to first perform the action, then comment its outcome. You could even build an IF clause to be 100% sure, or a TRY clause. try this.inventory = listappend(this.inventory, dobj); player:tell("Added ... "); except error (ANY) player:tell("Not added ... "); player:tell(toliteral(error)); endtry The "toliteral(error)" is ugly but informative. It would be for temporary debugging purposes only. Good luck - Daniel From sethirich@gmail.com Mon Dec 5 11:32:16 2005 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.197]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jB5HWCs4027748 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:32:13 -0600 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i23so696335wra for ; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 09:32:12 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=dq6u4xkKVXTQ9I1uz8ScRT03ezShJW0pP+HXniMtZFHzyTIXkDddf+zbwZTIdxOssumWB3vyq6N9EZy86tWwTk+B2myxBNMoTnX7KOazrg4n1tYFH3lvlUBtvA/wZ2kumFkJpTnlVlc0aq08VxscGBi1waDlQklU1mBzb8Z60tI= Received: by 10.65.191.8 with SMTP id t8mr2665687qbp; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 05:36:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.180.6 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 05:36:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <94a523700512050536m1f53c8ay691c5f688c3e3fb1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:36:31 -0500 From: "Seth I. Rich" Sender: sethirich@gmail.com To: "General MOO discussion." Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] still having problems with properties on rooms In-Reply-To: <000b01c5f942$3182ca60$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_34875_17558044.1133789791170" References: <000b01c5f942$3182ca60$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:32:19 -0000 ------=_Part_34875_17558044.1133789791170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 12/4/05, tyler wrote: > > Hay list, > I just went over my other log, and realized why people couldn't help. May I suggest: Email me your problems, instead of the list, and I'll happil= y help you. I suspect people are growing frustrated. -- Seth I. Rich - seth@briar.com Rabbits on walls, no problem. ------=_Part_34875_17558044.1133789791170 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 12/4/05, tyler <compgeek13@gmail.com> wrote:
Hay list,
I just went over my other log, and realized why people couldn'= t help.

May I suggest: Email me your problems, instead of the list, and I'll happily help you.  I suspect people are growing frustrated.
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= Seth I. Rich - seth@briar.com
Rabb= its on walls, no problem. ------=_Part_34875_17558044.1133789791170-- From roys@mindspring.com Mon Dec 5 19:21:32 2005 Received: from eastrmmtao05.cox.net (eastrmmtao05.cox.net [68.230.240.34]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jB61LOhJ032679 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:21:25 -0600 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (really [68.100.18.110]) by eastrmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051206012117.YVFD14098.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@[192.168.1.2]> for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:21:17 -0500 Message-ID: <4394E784.7030301@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 20:21:08 -0500 From: Roy Sutton User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.4 (Windows/20050908) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "General MOO discussion." Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with code--still stuck References: <010901c5f91a$ffeaa1c0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <4393743F.5030707@uib.no> <002001c5f940$51a0c100$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> In-Reply-To: <002001c5f940$51a0c100$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 01:21:34 -0000 I would say parse errors are generally caused but the following: Mis-matched/balanced parentheses Mis-matched/balanced quotes Other punctuation errors (ternary operator is a big one in moo) Parse errors will never point out problems with using a function that doesn't exist, using bad or too many arguments or whatnot. It's always punctuation. Roy tyler wrote: > I did this. > __8_ player:tell($gender_utils:pronoun_sub("%{:He} %{!is"}), this.possition, > "ing on a ", this.obj, "."); > and am still getting an error! > I don't see any problem with my parenthasees...? > > Tyler Littlefield. > Check out our website: > http://tysplace.the-leetest.net > check out my blog: > livejournal.com/~tylerrl > [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] > [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel Jung" > To: "General MOO discussion." > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 2:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with code--still stuck > > > >> tyler wrote: >> >>> I went to the website provided, and worked with balancing out the >>> > braces, > >> Braces are OK. Check the parentheses! >> >> >>> player:tell($gender_utils:pronoun_sub( ... ); >>> >> How many are there? >> >> - Daniel >> _______________________________________________ >> Moo-cows mailing list >> Moo-cows@moo-cows.com >> http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows >> > > _______________________________________________ > Moo-cows mailing list > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows > > > > From compgeek13@gmail.com Mon Dec 5 22:12:11 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jB64C5e7019288 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:12:05 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-2.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 247714500 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 21:12:03 -0700 Message-ID: <008b01c5fa1b$3742c1b0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." References: <000b01c5f942$3182ca60$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <43940E6A.30608@uib.no> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] still having problems with properties on rooms Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:12:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 22:28:55 -0600 X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 04:12:14 -0000 Thanks, and sorry for the whole log. I was just trying to post my problem and be clear. Sorry for all the questions if you were speaking of that getting rediculious, people have infact commented on it, but as moo is sorta melting into the stone age, it is really hard to keep it up, and research much. Thanks, Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Jung" To: "General MOO discussion." Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] still having problems with properties on rooms > Hi > > To be honest, this is getting a little silly. > > > [longish session transcript] > > > "listappend(this.inventory, dobj); > > worked, while > > > "listappend(dobj, this.inventory); > > works not. It even prints out why: > > > #4045:additem, line 3: Type mismatch > > You should really get familiar with error types, both compile errors > (parse errors) and runtime errors. "Type mismatch" means you are trying > to do something with a piece of data, but it's structure doesn't allow > that to happen. You simply can't add a list to an object, it doesn't > make sense. listappend() has two arguments: FIRST the list onto which to > append something, then the SOMETHING to be appended. You switched the > order. > > Alternatively, you could write > > {@this.inventory, dobj} > > which appends the dobj at the end, or, in fact, > > {dobj, @this.inventory} > > to place it in front. There is no type mismatch in this syntax, because > the @ before the list flattens it out and treats it as a series of > single elements, in which any type of data can be inserted. > > Then: "listappend(this.inventory, dobj)" doesn't actually SET anything, > it just appends one thing to the other. I guess you want to assign the > new list to the property in question: > > this.inventory = listappend(this.inventory, dobj); > > Remember to switch the lines 2 and 3 again. Now, it says "added x to y" > before the actual adding is done. It would be wiser to first perform the > action, then comment its outcome. You could even build an IF clause to > be 100% sure, or a TRY clause. > > try > this.inventory = listappend(this.inventory, dobj); > player:tell("Added ... "); > except error (ANY) > player:tell("Not added ... "); > player:tell(toliteral(error)); > endtry > > The "toliteral(error)" is ugly but informative. It would be for > temporary debugging purposes only. > > > Good luck > - Daniel > > _______________________________________________ > Moo-cows mailing list > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows From compgeek13@gmail.com Mon Dec 5 22:15:43 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jB64FdtY020148 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:15:39 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-3.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 118604678 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 21:15:38 -0700 Message-ID: <011d01c5fa1b$b72b33d0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." References: <000b01c5f942$3182ca60$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <94a523700512050536m1f53c8ay691c5f688c3e3fb1@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] still having problems with properties on rooms Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:15:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0104_01C5F9D8.9CA04B10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 22:28:55 -0600 X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 04:15:44 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0104_01C5F9D8.9CA04B10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable could we get some comments here? if people are having problems, can you = speak up? if not, can you again say something? if you don't mind... I am = just trying to learn, (thanks god that this isn't my first language) = lol. Thanks, Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Seth I. Rich=20 To: General MOO discussion.=20 Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:36 AM Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] still having problems with properties on rooms On 12/4/05, tyler wrote: Hay list, I just went over my other log, and realized why people couldn't = help. May I suggest: Email me your problems, instead of the list, and I'll = happily help you. I suspect people are growing frustrated. --=20 Seth I. Rich - seth@briar.com Rabbits on walls, no problem.=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- _______________________________________________ Moo-cows mailing list Moo-cows@moo-cows.com http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows ------=_NextPart_000_0104_01C5F9D8.9CA04B10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
could we get some comments here? if = people are=20 having problems, can you speak up? if not, can you again say something? = if you=20 don't mind... I am just trying to learn, (thanks god that this isn't my = first=20 language) lol.
Thanks,
Tyler Littlefield.
Check out our website:
http://tysplace.the-leetest.net<= /A>
check=20 out my blog:
livejournal.com/~tylerrl
[my programs don't have = bugs, just=20 randomly added features]
[failure is not an option, it comes bundled = with=20 windows!]
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Seth I. = Rich
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 = 5:36=20 AM
Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] still = having=20 problems with properties on rooms

On 12/4/05, tyler = <compgeek13@gmail.com> = wrote:
Hay=20 list,
I just went over my other log, and realized why people = couldn't=20 help.

May I suggest: Email me your problems, = instead of=20 the list, and I'll happily help you.  I suspect people are = growing=20 frustrated.
--
Seth I. Rich - seth@briar.com
Rabbits on walls, = no=20 problem.=20

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------=_NextPart_000_0104_01C5F9D8.9CA04B10-- From agrajag@dragaera.net Mon Dec 5 22:43:38 2005 Received: from wilson.acpub.duke.edu (wilson.acpub.duke.edu [152.3.233.69]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jB64hQYm022603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:43:28 -0600 Received: from [24.225.64.200] (user-0ce2g68.cable.mindspring.com [24.225.64.200]) by wilson.acpub.duke.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10/Duke-5.0.0) with ESMTP id jB64hA9I015172; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 23:43:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <439516DF.5090207@dragaera.net> Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 23:43:11 -0500 From: Jag User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6-1.4.1.centos4 (X11/20050721) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "General MOO discussion." Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] still having problems with properties on rooms References: <000b01c5f942$3182ca60$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <94a523700512050536m1f53c8ay691c5f688c3e3fb1@mail.gmail.com> <011d01c5fa1b$b72b33d0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> In-Reply-To: <011d01c5fa1b$b72b33d0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 04:43:45 -0000 tyler wrote: > could we get some comments here? if people are having problems, can you > speak up? if not, can you again say something? if you don't mind... I am > just trying to learn, (thanks god that this isn't my first language) lol. Then I'll speak up. While its good to see activity on this list, I do find it someone annoying that 99% of it is very basic coding problems. Especially when there are dozens of good tutorials on moo coding on the net. If you're interested in learning to code on a MOO, I suggest you do what I did. Find a really good tutorial, and read it. Then start reading every bit of MOO code you can find and figuring out what it does. Then once you have a grasp, go re-read the tutorial and find what you missed the first time. And at some point in there, start playing around and testing things out on your own. And when you get a weird error, look at it and try to figure out why you got the error. Its ok to ask for help every once in a while. Even people who have been doing it for years make stupid mistakes every once in a while. But the constant barrage of questions is a little much. And I'd appreciate it if you could keep it down to when you're really stumped. Thanks, Jag From kira@lightsphere.com Mon Dec 5 22:47:56 2005 Received: from miniMac.local.oplink.net ([209.223.46.80]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jB64lp3s023536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:47:52 -0600 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:47:50 -0600 From: Jackie Hamilton To: "General MOO discussion." Message-ID: <20051205224750.754088.e9c286ec@lightsphere.com> In-Reply-To: <011d01c5fa1b$b72b33d0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> References: <000b01c5f942$3182ca60$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <94a523700512050536m1f53c8ay691c5f688c3e3fb1@mail.gmail.com> <011d01c5fa1b$b72b33d0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] still having problems with properties on rooms Mime-Version: 1.0 (GMessage framework 1.3.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: GyazMail version 1.3.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 04:47:59 -0000 On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:15:18 -0800, tyler wrote: > could we get some comments here? if people are having problems, can > you speak up? if not, can you again say something? if you don't > mind... I am just trying to learn, (thanks god that this isn't my > first language) lol. Well I think some folks might be annoyed, as you seem to be quick to fire off (many) questions, perhaps without really working through the problem first... If you seriously want to learn MOO, you should take the time to work through some of the programmer tutorials. See http://www.moo-cows.com/docs/ - and work through Yib's Pet Rock Tutorial, yDuJ's Programming Tutorial, Colin's Way Easy MOO Programming Guide. And since you seem to have jumped right into wizarding without much programming experience, you should also read the Newbie Wizard's FAQ. I think many of us learned programming by reading these and by experimenting... it also helps to be logged into a MOO where there are programmers/wizards present who know more than you, and are willing to help you learn. (Though I don't know any off the top of my head, perhaps some other folks here can recommend a place, though.) -- Jackie Hamilton kira@lightsphere.com From sethirich@gmail.com Tue Dec 6 08:26:55 2005 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.200]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jB6EQkFF025527 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:26:47 -0600 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 13so60760nzn for ; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 06:26:45 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=p2BmgqFe0nTnS0dUtAcK4Wc2WOzI1vSevss9/DBk0OHCp4yIFv/XV3STlxDDzbklqawtfcueVaLMkqetNN5TDdgfM4SlwsenvYqHRD6/S317L/NszEp1cWEpt3a7p3Ck46X8ya4qIRmZqRA8HWmPXaQZcfuDHh3PtY+6g5Jpin4= Received: by 10.65.73.9 with SMTP id a9mr509275qbl; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 06:26:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.180.6 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 06:26:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <94a523700512060626m27c53f54wd6fee3c9b20a5148@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:26:44 -0500 From: "Seth I. Rich" Sender: sethirich@gmail.com To: "General MOO discussion." Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] still having problems with properties on rooms In-Reply-To: <20051205224750.754088.e9c286ec@lightsphere.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8710_32286364.1133879204919" References: <000b01c5f942$3182ca60$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <94a523700512050536m1f53c8ay691c5f688c3e3fb1@mail.gmail.com> <011d01c5fa1b$b72b33d0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <20051205224750.754088.e9c286ec@lightsphere.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:26:56 -0000 ------=_Part_8710_32286364.1133879204919 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Let me reiterate my offer. I'm happy to help with basic MOO coding issues, and I'm quite experienced with it. Please feel free to email me [ seth@briar.com] your questions, instead of asking the whole group. Seth -- Seth I. Rich - seth@briar.com Rabbits on walls, no problem. ------=_Part_8710_32286364.1133879204919 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Let me reiterate my offer.  I'm happy to help with basic MOO coding issues, and I'm quite experienced with it.  Please feel free to email me [seth@briar.com] you= r questions, instead of asking the whole group.

Seth
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Rabbits on walls, no problem. ------=_Part_8710_32286364.1133879204919-- From raroth42@yahoo.co.uk Tue Dec 6 13:01:26 2005 Received: from web26007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web26007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.218]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with SMTP id jB6J1JJa030633 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 13:01:20 -0600 Received: (qmail 91581 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Dec 2005 19:01:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BYhhO1grtcfeZjAmq6tTjPzlB6waffG9D3RXaZG9WtBjcgqprGg1tZ0SugfZNATPVzMX2h2Vzt8be8bfExaAXphxEKCz2arxoZtA8XJ0HJM79Q9Yj7LWcmHptoeZ/alxR5vRW695gRjSFCs8yJI3/byxK0FOsKRXqVHbfeslR04= ; Message-ID: <20051206190118.91579.qmail@web26007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.37.77.229] by web26007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 19:01:17 GMT Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:01:17 +0000 (GMT) From: Richard Rothwell To: moo-cows@moo-cows.com In-Reply-To: <200512061800.jB6I0Gkn021810@new.cgi101.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [Moo-cows] Unimpressed X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: richard@caliban.org.uk, "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 19:01:29 -0000 Hang on here. OK - I'm fairly new to this list BUT 1. The tutorials are hard to read and understand 2. You don't have to reply to every email 3. MOOs are not a very main stream technology any more 4. Being supportive to young or beginning programmers is mere courtesy 5. If the volume of a list is a problem, go to daily digest 6. If you feel the topic is drifting, create a new list for programmer issues As I've said, I'm a teacher of blind kids like Tyler for whom the CLI interface of the MOO is a wonderful environment. If I'm in the wrong with these opinions flame me _off list_. rgds, Richard Rothwell Head of ICT/ILT RNIB New College Worcester, UK Chair Schoolforge UK ___________________________________________________________ WIN ONE OF THREE YAHOO! VESPAS - Enter now! - http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/features/competitions/vespa.html From groucho7@operamail.com Tue Dec 6 14:10:50 2005 Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jB6KAku0006692 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 14:10:46 -0600 Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id DF0D118001AB for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:10:44 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.131) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 6 Dec 2005 20:10:44 -0000 Received: by ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CF8B543844; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:10:44 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Gary Foiles" To: richard@caliban.org.uk, moo-cows@moo-cows.com Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:10:44 -0600 Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] Unimpressed Received: from [71.50.20.89] by ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for groucho7@operamail.com; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:10:44 -0600 X-Originating-Ip: 71.50.20.89 X-Originating-Server: ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20051206201044.CF8B543844@ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by new.cgi101.com id jB6KAku0006692 Cc: X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 20:10:51 -0000 Cheers, Richard, and welcome to the list. Sorry if it has been disappointing to you. Perhaps there's been an interpretation mistake, the kind that happens so often with flat text on the Internet. Many times, one person writes something with a friendly tone in mind but another person reads it and "hears" a much less friendly tone. We try to give every author the benefit of a friendly tone when we read their messages. (Of course, if the author says, "I hate you! You're a jerk!" then the friendly tone is hard to hold onto, but even then it might be light-hearted humor. Who knows for certain?) Anyway, as I've read the responses to Tyler's recent posts to this lists, I really haven't seen anyone flaming him or being rude or telling him to give up. In fact, there have been several attempts to give him detailed help or pointers to places where he could find answers. BlackBriar even volunteered to provide more individualized help off-list. I remember the first time I stumbled through a gopher hole into Jay's House MOO in 1991. The regulars there were very experienced programmers and I was extremely clueless. For the most part, I tried to just lurk and listen, but finally I screwed up my courage and asked a few questions. Looking back, I cringe at how truly clueless a newbie I was then. One of the Jay's House regulars finally pointed me to Lambda MOO and suggested I go there, read the Programmers Manual, get a programmer bit, and dig in. I did. After several weeks at LambdaMOO I was extremely lucky to bump into an expereinced programmer who was willing to patiently answer some of my better questions. (I say better because I was beginning to learn how to ask a clear question that could be quickly answered, and that's a very important skill to develop.) Now, it's 14 years later. I love MOO. I love MOOers. I love programming in MOO. I love playing in MOO. I love helping Kira administer Harper's Tale MOO. I love seeing people get interested in programming in MOO code. I try to help them all I can, too. But I admit there are times at the end of my real life work day when I just can't find the energy to explain things that are really really basic. Try to understand that I'm not being hateful, at least I surely don't mean to be. The Programmers Manual can be a bit daunting, but it's worth the investment of time to go through it several times until it starts feeling like a coherent whole. All this spam is just intended to say that no one here -- honestly, no one -- wants to discourage any new MOO programmer or new MOO wizard. We're human beings too though. If a new person will make the effort to meet us halfway, they'll find us a pretty nice little community. Enjoy! Gary Foiles Sekiji @ Harper's Tale MOO Gary @ Lambda MOO -- _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 8 at http://www.opera.com Powered by Outblaze From compgeek13@gmail.com Tue Dec 6 19:16:32 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jB71GRLb023938 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:16:28 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-1.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 329848659 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 18:16:26 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c5facb$d98d2c20$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." References: <010901c5f91a$ffeaa1c0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <4393743F.5030707@uib.no><002001c5f940$51a0c100$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <4394E784.7030301@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with code--still stuck Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:25:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 01:16:33 -0000 ok, can I get a bit of a relent? I think it is in the pronoun_sub, but I don't get this function at all, if I am rite, can someone explain this one a bit? because I don't see any punctuation errors that could be causing it! Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Sutton" To: "General MOO discussion." Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with code--still stuck > I would say parse errors are generally caused but the following: > > Mis-matched/balanced parentheses > Mis-matched/balanced quotes > Other punctuation errors (ternary operator is a big one in moo) > > Parse errors will never point out problems with using a function that > doesn't exist, using bad or too many arguments or whatnot. It's always > punctuation. > > Roy > > tyler wrote: > > I did this. > > __8_ player:tell($gender_utils:pronoun_sub("%{:He} %{!is"}), this.possition, > > "ing on a ", this.obj, "."); > > and am still getting an error! > > I don't see any problem with my parenthasees...? > > > > Tyler Littlefield. > > Check out our website: > > http://tysplace.the-leetest.net > > check out my blog: > > livejournal.com/~tylerrl > > [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] > > [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Daniel Jung" > > To: "General MOO discussion." > > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 2:57 PM > > Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with code--still stuck > > > > > > > >> tyler wrote: > >> > >>> I went to the website provided, and worked with balancing out the > >>> > > braces, > > > >> Braces are OK. Check the parentheses! > >> > >> > >>> player:tell($gender_utils:pronoun_sub( ... ); > >>> > >> How many are there? > >> > >> - Daniel > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Moo-cows mailing list > >> Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > >> http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Moo-cows mailing list > > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moo-cows mailing list > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows From compgeek13@gmail.com Tue Dec 6 19:18:51 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jB71Il0G024167 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:18:47 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-1.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 329851270 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 18:18:46 -0700 Message-ID: <002c01c5facc$2d3b2390$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." References: <000b01c5f942$3182ca60$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <94a523700512050536m1f53c8ay691c5f688c3e3fb1@mail.gmail.com><011d01c5fa1b$b72b33d0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <439516DF.5090207@dragaera.net> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] still having problems with properties on rooms Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:18:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 01:18:52 -0000 cool, thanks. will do, I have googled, and googled for moo code, any resources while your handing out advice? Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jag" To: "General MOO discussion." Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] still having problems with properties on rooms > tyler wrote: > > could we get some comments here? if people are having problems, can you > > speak up? if not, can you again say something? if you don't mind... I am > > just trying to learn, (thanks god that this isn't my first language) lol. > > Then I'll speak up. While its good to see activity on this list, I do > find it someone annoying that 99% of it is very basic coding problems. > Especially when there are dozens of good tutorials on moo coding on the net. > > If you're interested in learning to code on a MOO, I suggest you do what > I did. Find a really good tutorial, and read it. Then start reading > every bit of MOO code you can find and figuring out what it does. Then > once you have a grasp, go re-read the tutorial and find what you missed > the first time. And at some point in there, start playing around and > testing things out on your own. And when you get a weird error, look at > it and try to figure out why you got the error. Its ok to ask for help > every once in a while. Even people who have been doing it for years > make stupid mistakes every once in a while. But the constant barrage of > questions is a little much. And I'd appreciate it if you could keep it > down to when you're really stumped. > > > Thanks, > > > Jag > _______________________________________________ > Moo-cows mailing list > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows From compgeek13@gmail.com Tue Dec 6 19:31:21 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jB71VIUa025893 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:31:19 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-2.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 248402377; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 18:31:17 -0700 Message-ID: <00f701c5facd$ecd57920$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: , "General MOO discussion." References: <20051206190118.91579.qmail@web26007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] Unimpressed Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:31:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Cc: X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 01:31:24 -0000 Dude, I have someone that is willing to work with me. I am happy with that, And, thanks for the support! Thanks,Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Rothwell" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 11:01 AM Subject: [Moo-cows] Unimpressed > Hang on here. > > OK - I'm fairly new to this list BUT > > > 1. The tutorials are hard to read and understand > 2. You don't have to reply to every email > 3. MOOs are not a very main stream technology any more > 4. Being supportive to young or beginning programmers > is mere courtesy > 5. If the volume of a list is a problem, go to daily > digest > 6. If you feel the topic is drifting, create a new > list for programmer issues > > As I've said, I'm a teacher of blind kids like Tyler > for whom the CLI interface of the MOO is a wonderful > environment. If I'm in the wrong with these opinions > flame me _off list_. > > > rgds, > Richard Rothwell > Head of ICT/ILT RNIB New College Worcester, UK > Chair Schoolforge UK > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > WIN ONE OF THREE YAHOO! VESPAS - Enter now! - http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/features/competitions/vespa.html > _______________________________________________ > Moo-cows mailing list > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows From agrajag@dragaera.net Tue Dec 6 20:11:16 2005 Received: from wilson.acpub.duke.edu (wilson.acpub.duke.edu [152.3.233.69]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jB72BDp8030321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:11:14 -0600 Received: from [24.225.64.200] (user-0ce2g68.cable.mindspring.com [24.225.64.200]) by wilson.acpub.duke.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10/Duke-5.0.0) with ESMTP id jB72Au9I029364; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 21:11:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <439644B1.3060908@dragaera.net> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 21:10:57 -0500 From: Jag User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6-1.4.1.centos4 (X11/20050721) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "General MOO discussion." Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with code--still stuck References: <010901c5f91a$ffeaa1c0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <4393743F.5030707@uib.no><002001c5f940$51a0c100$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <4394E784.7030301@mindspring.com> <000201c5facb$d98d2c20$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> In-Reply-To: <000201c5facb$d98d2c20$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 02:11:17 -0000 tyler wrote: > ok, can I get a bit of a relent? I think it is in the pronoun_sub, but I > don't get this function at all, if I am rite, can someone explain this one a > bit? because I don't see any punctuation errors that could be causing it! It is a puncutation issue. You have: player:tell($gender_utils:pronoun_sub("%{:He} %{!is"}), this.possition, "ing on a ", this.obj, "."); The punctuation issue comes after the 'is'. You have the } after you close the quotes, it needs to be inside the quotes, like this: "%{:He} %{!is}" Now, I'm not sure if the code is actually doing what you want or not (its been a number of years since I've actively coded on a MOO), but that is the cause of your parse error. As was pointed out before, parse errors are caused when the MOO can't compile your code. It doesn't even try to translate '$gender_utils' into anything or try to find the :pronoun_sub() verb until you try to run it, which happens after compile. From compgeek13@gmail.com Tue Dec 6 20:36:49 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jB72aiZl001021 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:36:45 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-1.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 329894506 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 19:36:43 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c5fad7$10b04fb0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." References: <010901c5f91a$ffeaa1c0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <4393743F.5030707@uib.no><002001c5f940$51a0c100$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <4394E784.7030301@mindspring.com><000201c5facb$d98d2c20$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <439644B1.3060908@dragaera.net> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with code--still stuck Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:36:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 02:36:49 -0000 ah... I wasn't sure how that was supposed to be structured. Thanks, (/me hates pronoun_sub)! Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jag" To: "General MOO discussion." Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with code--still stuck > tyler wrote: > > ok, can I get a bit of a relent? I think it is in the pronoun_sub, but I > > don't get this function at all, if I am rite, can someone explain this one a > > bit? because I don't see any punctuation errors that could be causing it! > > It is a puncutation issue. You have: > player:tell($gender_utils:pronoun_sub("%{:He} %{!is"}), this.possition, > "ing on a ", this.obj, "."); > > The punctuation issue comes after the 'is'. You have the } after you > close the quotes, it needs to be inside the quotes, like this: "%{:He} > %{!is}" > > Now, I'm not sure if the code is actually doing what you want or not > (its been a number of years since I've actively coded on a MOO), but > that is the cause of your parse error. As was pointed out before, parse > errors are caused when the MOO can't compile your code. It doesn't even > try to translate '$gender_utils' into anything or try to find the > :pronoun_sub() verb until you try to run it, which happens after compile. > _______________________________________________ > Moo-cows mailing list > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows From kira@lightsphere.com Mon Dec 12 23:34:57 2005 Received: from miniMac.local.oplink.net ([209.223.46.80]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBD5Yr1m023116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:34:54 -0600 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:34:53 -0600 From: Jackie Hamilton To: "General MOO discussion." Message-ID: <20051212233453.132890.6723a6e8@lightsphere.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (GMessage framework 1.3.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: GyazMail version 1.3.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [Moo-cows] some $string_utils in Perl... X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:35:01 -0000 So, anyone else ever stolen some moo code for a project in another language? :) $string_utils:ordinal in perl: sub ordinal { # 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc. shamelessly stolen from moo. my $num = shift; my $n = abs($num) % 100; my %eths = (1=>'st', 2=>'nd', 3=>'rd'); if ($n / 10 != 1 && (($n % 10) =~ /^(1|2|3)$/)) { return $num . $eths{$n%10}; } else { return $num . 'th'; } } And here's $string_utils:english_list in perl: sub english_list { my (@ary) = @_; my $last = pop(@ary); my $string = join(", ", @ary); if ($string) { $string .= " and " . $last; return $string; } else { return $last; } } *sigh*. So lazy. :) (but hey, why reinvent a perfectly good wheel...) -- Jackie Hamilton kira@lightsphere.com From neil.fraser@gmail.com Tue Dec 13 02:34:21 2005 Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.192]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBD8Y0i4011166 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 02:34:01 -0600 Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id l35so561202nfa for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:33:59 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rDWTJcafNxDmtqDMo5jfrm01qT12wrALALTtS/H7O8nEYmLzQn5dHJqmOy8lxl6cVXA7Z6VlwEBi3FoKlL6TXvqJ4ShEipb53R9jzfKMI2y1d2UeYrKxyzG7a5D+dYWxRqtOEE/kxATeLVyjXh5TW4p0QZPC57eu12s5l3zD8uw= Received: by 10.49.5.15 with SMTP id h15mr935323nfi; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:33:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.34.20 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:33:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <416401b00512130033k735a1539l@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 03:33:58 -0500 From: Neil Fraser To: "General MOO discussion." Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] some $string_utils in Perl... In-Reply-To: <20051212233453.132890.6723a6e8@lightsphere.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051212233453.132890.6723a6e8@lightsphere.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by new.cgi101.com id jBD8Y0i4011166 X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:34:25 -0000 On 13/12/05, Jackie Hamilton wrote: > So, anyone else ever stolen some moo code for a project in another language? :) Aye. CSV routines in Moo: http://www.moo.ca/code_utils:to_csv http://www.moo.ca/code_utils:from_csv CSV routines in Perl: http://neil.fraser.name/news/2005/csv.pl CSV routines in Python: http://neil.fraser.name/news/2005/csv.py Both Perl and Python already had CSV routines, but they were bloated, heavy and had too many dependencies. Just needed something simple and lightweight. -- Neil Fraser, Programmer & Wizard http://neil.fraser.name From compgeek13@gmail.com Fri Dec 16 22:59:09 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBH4woO8001392 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:58:50 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-1.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 337589200 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:58:49 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c602c6$82cb9cc0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:58:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [Moo-cows] help with help topics, and how to add? X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 04:59:12 -0000 Hay, I read the help on how to add help topics, but, it didn't give me a whole lot of information, can someone help me out here? Thanks, Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] From tvdijen@planet.nl Sat Dec 17 00:24:20 2005 Received: from smtp17.wxs.nl (smtp17.wxs.nl [195.121.247.8]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBH6OGxD011041 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 00:24:17 -0600 Received: from [10.0.0.100] (ip3e835ea5.speed.planet.nl [62.131.94.165]) by smtp17.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IRM0016LPSFFW@smtp17.wxs.nl> for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 07:24:15 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 07:24:16 +0100 From: Tim van Dijen Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with help topics, and how to add? In-reply-to: <000701c602c6$82cb9cc0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> To: "General MOO discussion." Message-id: <43A3AF10.6010501@planet.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) References: <000701c602c6$82cb9cc0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 06:24:21 -0000 tyler schreef: >Hay, >I read the help on how to add help topics, but, it didn't give me a whole >lot of information, can someone help me out here? >Thanks, >Tyler Littlefield. >Check out our website: >http://tysplace.the-leetest.net >check out my blog: >livejournal.com/~tylerrl >[my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] >[failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] > >_______________________________________________ >Moo-cows mailing list >Moo-cows@moo-cows.com >http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows > > > Just add a property to the help-database. The property-name should be the name of the help-item. For example: you could add a property called 'theme' and fill it with a description of the MOO's theme... Now you are able to type 'help theme' to lookup that piece of text. Hope it helps you out! Goblin From compgeek13@gmail.com Sat Dec 17 00:55:51 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBH6tlct014145 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 00:55:47 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-2.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 255610220 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 23:55:46 -0700 Message-ID: <00d801c602d6$d9ba7410$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." References: <000701c602c6$82cb9cc0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <43A3AF10.6010501@planet.nl> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with help topics, and how to add? Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:55:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 06:55:51 -0000 to what help-database? $generic_help? or is there somewhere else that I put it? Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim van Dijen" To: "General MOO discussion." Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with help topics, and how to add? > tyler schreef: > > >Hay, > >I read the help on how to add help topics, but, it didn't give me a whole > >lot of information, can someone help me out here? > >Thanks, > >Tyler Littlefield. > >Check out our website: > >http://tysplace.the-leetest.net > >check out my blog: > >livejournal.com/~tylerrl > >[my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] > >[failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Moo-cows mailing list > >Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > >http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows > > > > > > > Just add a property to the help-database. The property-name should be > the name of the help-item. > For example: you could add a property called 'theme' and fill it with a > description of the MOO's theme... > Now you are able to type 'help theme' to lookup that piece of text. > Hope it helps you out! > > Goblin > _______________________________________________ > Moo-cows mailing list > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows From tvdijen@planet.nl Sat Dec 17 07:06:40 2005 Received: from smtp18.wxs.nl (smtp18.wxs.nl [195.121.247.9]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBHD6arL017410 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 07:06:36 -0600 Received: from [10.0.0.100] (ip3e835ea5.speed.planet.nl [62.131.94.165]) by smtp18.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IRN00MD38EP8Z@smtp18.wxs.nl> for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:06:25 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:06:27 +0100 From: Tim van Dijen Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with help topics, and how to add? In-reply-to: <00d801c602d6$d9ba7410$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> To: "General MOO discussion." Message-id: <43A40D53.90201@planet.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) References: <000701c602c6$82cb9cc0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <43A3AF10.6010501@planet.nl> <00d801c602d6$d9ba7410$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 13:06:42 -0000 tyler schreef: >to what help-database? $generic_help? or is there somewhere else that I put >it? > >Tyler Littlefield. >Check out our website: >http://tysplace.the-leetest.net >check out my blog: >livejournal.com/~tylerrl >[my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] >[failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tim van Dijen" >To: "General MOO discussion." >Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 10:24 PM >Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with help topics, and how to add? > > > > >>tyler schreef: >> >> >> >>>Hay, >>>I read the help on how to add help topics, but, it didn't give me a whole >>>lot of information, can someone help me out here? >>>Thanks, >>>Tyler Littlefield. >>>Check out our website: >>>http://tysplace.the-leetest.net >>>check out my blog: >>>livejournal.com/~tylerrl >>>[my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] >>>[failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Moo-cows mailing list >>>Moo-cows@moo-cows.com >>>http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Just add a property to the help-database. The property-name should be >>the name of the help-item. >>For example: you could add a property called 'theme' and fill it with a >>description of the MOO's theme... >>Now you are able to type 'help theme' to lookup that piece of text. >>Hope it helps you out! >> >>Goblin >>_______________________________________________ >>Moo-cows mailing list >>Moo-cows@moo-cows.com >>http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Moo-cows mailing list >Moo-cows@moo-cows.com >http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows > > > No, not to $generic_help. There are multiple help databases, to sort out the subjects... A standard LambaCore has $prog_help, $wiz_help, $builtin_help, $ansi_help and $help_db for the more common stuff... There are soms more databases.. Type @kids $generic_db for an overview of the help databases. You can make help databases by typing @create $generic_help called Good luck, Goblin From compgeek13@gmail.com Sat Dec 17 08:53:03 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBHEqw3c028120 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:52:58 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-3.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 126716586 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 07:52:57 -0700 Message-ID: <005701c60319$82d87f50$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." References: <000701c602c6$82cb9cc0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg><43A3AF10.6010501@planet.nl><00d801c602d6$d9ba7410$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <43A40D53.90201@planet.nl> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with help topics, and how to add? Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 06:52:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:53:04 -0000 awesome, will start on it ASAP. While we're on the topic, is there a way I can restrict prog-index, and the topics found within to those of a programmer and a wizard? little things like that? Thanks, Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim van Dijen" To: "General MOO discussion." Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 5:06 AM Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with help topics, and how to add? > tyler schreef: > > >to what help-database? $generic_help? or is there somewhere else that I put > >it? > > > >Tyler Littlefield. > >Check out our website: > >http://tysplace.the-leetest.net > >check out my blog: > >livejournal.com/~tylerrl > >[my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] > >[failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Tim van Dijen" > >To: "General MOO discussion." > >Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 10:24 PM > >Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with help topics, and how to add? > > > > > > > > > >>tyler schreef: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Hay, > >>>I read the help on how to add help topics, but, it didn't give me a whole > >>>lot of information, can someone help me out here? > >>>Thanks, > >>>Tyler Littlefield. > >>>Check out our website: > >>>http://tysplace.the-leetest.net > >>>check out my blog: > >>>livejournal.com/~tylerrl > >>>[my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] > >>>[failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Moo-cows mailing list > >>>Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > >>>http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>Just add a property to the help-database. The property-name should be > >>the name of the help-item. > >>For example: you could add a property called 'theme' and fill it with a > >>description of the MOO's theme... > >>Now you are able to type 'help theme' to lookup that piece of text. > >>Hope it helps you out! > >> > >>Goblin > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Moo-cows mailing list > >>Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > >>http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Moo-cows mailing list > >Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > >http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows > > > > > > > No, not to $generic_help. > There are multiple help databases, to sort out the subjects... > A standard LambaCore has $prog_help, $wiz_help, $builtin_help, > $ansi_help and $help_db for the more common stuff... > There are soms more databases.. Type @kids $generic_db for an overview > of the help databases. > You can make help databases by typing @create $generic_help called > > > Good luck, > > Goblin > _______________________________________________ > Moo-cows mailing list > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows From tvdijen@planet.nl Sat Dec 17 08:59:19 2005 Received: from smtp19.wxs.nl (smtp19.wxs.nl [195.121.247.10]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBHExINi028573 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:59:18 -0600 Received: from [10.0.0.100] (ip3e835ea5.speed.planet.nl [62.131.94.165]) by smtp19.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IRN00DX7DMS2Y@smtp19.wxs.nl> for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:59:17 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:59:18 +0100 From: Tim van Dijen Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with help topics, and how to add? In-reply-to: <005701c60319$82d87f50$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> To: "General MOO discussion." Message-id: <43A427C6.5050401@planet.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) References: <000701c602c6$82cb9cc0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <43A3AF10.6010501@planet.nl> <00d801c602d6$d9ba7410$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <43A40D53.90201@planet.nl> <005701c60319$82d87f50$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:59:20 -0000 tyler schreef: >awesome, will start on it ASAP. While we're on the topic, is there a way I >can restrict prog-index, and the topics found within to those of a >programmer and a wizard? little things like that? >Thanks, >Tyler Littlefield. >Check out our website: >http://tysplace.the-leetest.net >check out my blog: >livejournal.com/~tylerrl >[my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] >[failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] > Yes, that is possible by adding a verb to the help-database, instead of a property. In the verbcode you would do something like if (player.wizard) blablablah.. Good luck again, Goblin From compgeek13@gmail.com Sat Dec 17 09:01:32 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBHF1QB3029387 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:01:26 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-3.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 126720675 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:01:25 -0700 Message-ID: <007a01c6031a$b1ce05e0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 07:01:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [Moo-cows] problem with help X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:01:34 -0000 Hay, I just tried to do the following. @create $generic_help called "mob" move mob to #1 @prop mob.kill {} where mob after the @create command is the object number, then when I do help kill it doesn't work, any ideas there? Thanks, Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] From tvdijen@planet.nl Sat Dec 17 09:39:44 2005 Received: from smtp16.wxs.nl (smtp16.wxs.nl [195.121.247.7]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBHFdeCN000387 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:39:41 -0600 Received: from [10.0.0.100] (ip3e835ea5.speed.planet.nl [62.131.94.165]) by smtp16.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IRN00EVUFFV34@smtp16.wxs.nl> for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:38:19 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:38:21 +0100 From: Tim van Dijen Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] problem with help In-reply-to: <007a01c6031a$b1ce05e0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> To: "General MOO discussion." Message-id: <43A430ED.9030709@planet.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) References: <007a01c6031a$b1ce05e0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:39:44 -0000 tyler schreef: >Hay, >I just tried to do the following. >@create $generic_help called "mob" >move mob to #1 >@prop mob.kill {} >where mob after the @create command is the object number, then when I do >help kill >it doesn't work, any ideas there? >Thanks, >Tyler Littlefield. >Check out our website: >http://tysplace.the-leetest.net >check out my blog: >livejournal.com/~tylerrl >[my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] >[failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] > >_______________________________________________ >Moo-cows mailing list >Moo-cows@moo-cows.com >http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows > > > Read the help of $generic_help again... I believe every character on the MOO has a .help property, containing all the help-databases in which the help-command should search. I believe it is enough to add the object number of your help-database to the .help property of $player, or $wiz, if you want the database to be wiz-only. Goblin From compgeek13@gmail.com Sat Dec 17 09:41:31 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBHFfTP0000572 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:41:29 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-1.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 337860785 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:41:28 -0700 Message-ID: <001701c60320$4a6e3090$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." References: <007a01c6031a$b1ce05e0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <43A430ED.9030709@planet.nl> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] problem with help Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 07:41:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:41:32 -0000 ah.. thanks, I had read it, but didn't see that one... :-) Later, Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim van Dijen" To: "General MOO discussion." Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] problem with help > tyler schreef: > > >Hay, > >I just tried to do the following. > >@create $generic_help called "mob" > >move mob to #1 > >@prop mob.kill {} > >where mob after the @create command is the object number, then when I do > >help kill > >it doesn't work, any ideas there? > >Thanks, > >Tyler Littlefield. > >Check out our website: > >http://tysplace.the-leetest.net > >check out my blog: > >livejournal.com/~tylerrl > >[my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] > >[failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Moo-cows mailing list > >Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > >http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows > > > > > > > Read the help of $generic_help again... I believe every character on > the MOO has a .help property, containing all the help-databases in which > the help-command should search. I believe it is enough to add the > object number of your help-database to the .help property of $player, or > $wiz, if you want the database to be wiz-only. > > Goblin > _______________________________________________ > Moo-cows mailing list > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows From kira@lightsphere.com Sat Dec 17 09:42:51 2005 Received: from miniMac.local.oplink.net ([209.223.46.80]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBHFglaV000729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:42:48 -0600 Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:42:46 -0600 From: Jackie Hamilton To: "General MOO discussion." Message-ID: <20051217094246.729351.b20f8e7b@lightsphere.com> In-Reply-To: <007a01c6031a$b1ce05e0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> References: <007a01c6031a$b1ce05e0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] problem with help Mime-Version: 1.0 (GMessage framework 1.3.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: GyazMail version 1.3.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:42:51 -0000 How do I write new help? http://www.moo-cows.com/docs/faqs/new-archwiz-faq.html#newhelp -j. From compgeek13@gmail.com Sat Dec 17 09:46:08 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBHFk5qc001580 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:46:05 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-1.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 337863435 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:46:04 -0700 Message-ID: <002601c60320$eebe6610$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." References: <007a01c6031a$b1ce05e0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <20051217094246.729351.b20f8e7b@lightsphere.com> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] problem with help Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 07:45:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:46:08 -0000 hay, this worked! Thanks, Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Hamilton" To: "General MOO discussion." Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] problem with help > > How do I write new help? > > http://www.moo-cows.com/docs/faqs/new-archwiz-faq.html#newhelp > > -j. > _______________________________________________ > Moo-cows mailing list > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows From compgeek13@gmail.com Sat Dec 17 10:07:15 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBHG7BhC003567 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:07:12 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-3.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 126755390 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:07:10 -0700 Message-ID: <004001c60323$e1b12720$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:06:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [Moo-cows] last questions sorry guys. X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:07:16 -0000 Hay people, I was doing some programming, and had a few questions. Well, lets start with the funniest one first. I had a programmer, and he got toaded. I recycled him, and created another object that object took the number of the previous person, thus scruing up access rites. How do I change the owner of a verb to another person? Also, How do I tell what data type something is? Thanks, Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] From tvdijen@planet.nl Sat Dec 17 11:09:52 2005 Received: from smtp15.wxs.nl (smtp15.wxs.nl [195.121.247.6]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBHH9mic010101 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:09:49 -0600 Received: from [10.0.0.100] (ip3e835ea5.speed.planet.nl [62.131.94.165]) by smtp15.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IRN004SHJOB4D@smtp15.wxs.nl> for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:09:47 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:09:49 +0100 From: Tim van Dijen Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] last questions sorry guys. In-reply-to: <004001c60323$e1b12720$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> To: "General MOO discussion." Message-id: <43A4465D.8090806@planet.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) References: <004001c60323$e1b12720$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:09:53 -0000 tyler schreef: >Hay people, >I was doing some programming, and had a few questions. >Well, lets start with the funniest one first. >I had a programmer, and he got toaded. I recycled him, and created another >object that object took the number of the previous person, thus scruing up >access rites. How do I change the owner of a verb to another person? >Also, How do I tell what data type something is? >Thanks, >Tyler Littlefield. >Check out our website: >http://tysplace.the-leetest.net >check out my blog: >livejournal.com/~tylerrl >[my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] >[failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] > >_______________________________________________ >Moo-cows mailing list >Moo-cows@moo-cows.com >http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows > > > To change the owner of a verb: @chown obj:verb to To tell the type of a piece of data, study the typeof() builtin-function. Goblin From compgeek13@gmail.com Sat Dec 17 11:22:34 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBHHMU85011612 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:22:30 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-2.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 255882086 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:22:29 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c6032e$66e8ce70$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." References: <004001c60323$e1b12720$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <43A4465D.8090806@planet.nl> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] last questions sorry guys. Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:22:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:22:35 -0000 awesome! thanks! Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim van Dijen" To: "General MOO discussion." Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] last questions sorry guys. > tyler schreef: > > >Hay people, > >I was doing some programming, and had a few questions. > >Well, lets start with the funniest one first. > >I had a programmer, and he got toaded. I recycled him, and created another > >object that object took the number of the previous person, thus scruing up > >access rites. How do I change the owner of a verb to another person? > >Also, How do I tell what data type something is? > >Thanks, > >Tyler Littlefield. > >Check out our website: > >http://tysplace.the-leetest.net > >check out my blog: > >livejournal.com/~tylerrl > >[my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] > >[failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Moo-cows mailing list > >Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > >http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows > > > > > > > To change the owner of a verb: @chown obj:verb to > > To tell the type of a piece of data, study the typeof() builtin-function. > > Goblin > _______________________________________________ > Moo-cows mailing list > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows From compgeek13@gmail.com Sat Dec 17 12:57:14 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBHIvA3S021310 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 12:57:11 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-3.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 126842105 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:57:10 -0700 Message-ID: <000d01c6033b$a05e82a0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:56:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [Moo-cows] menu? X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:57:16 -0000 Hay, Wasn't there a menu command? that would display a menu of choices, based on a list passed to the function, and return the number the user pressed? Anyone know where this one is located? I have searched, and haven't found anything! Thanks, Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] From jhsw1@mn.rr.com Sat Dec 17 15:08:08 2005 Received: from ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.116]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBHL85AO003669 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:08:06 -0600 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (CPE-65-25-250-152.mn.res.rr.com [65.25.250.152]) by ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id jBHL809u012448 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:08:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.371 [267.14.1/206]); Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:08:00 -0600 Message-ID: <000301c6034d$f67cb190$6500a8c0@dellsrv> From: "Jason" To: "General MOO discussion." References: <000d01c6033b$a05e82a0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] menu? Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:08:00 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:08:09 -0000 Hi Tyler, If I'm not mistaken, you're thinking of the menu verb I wrote on my own MOO. That was not in the standard LambdaCore DB. ----- Original Message ----- From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 12:56 PM Subject: [Moo-cows] menu? > Hay, > Wasn't there a menu command? that would display a menu of choices, based > on > a list passed to the function, and return the number the user pressed? > Anyone know where this one is located? I have searched, and haven't found > anything! > Thanks, > Tyler Littlefield. > Check out our website: > http://tysplace.the-leetest.net > check out my blog: > livejournal.com/~tylerrl > [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] > [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] > > _______________________________________________ > Moo-cows mailing list > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: 12/16/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: 12/16/2005 From compgeek13@gmail.com Sat Dec 17 20:12:08 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBI2C4Am003826 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:12:04 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-1.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 338179409 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:12:03 -0700 Message-ID: <001201c60378$6f3d8760$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." References: <000d01c6033b$a05e82a0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <000301c6034d$f67cb190$6500a8c0@dellsrv> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] menu? Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:12:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 02:12:08 -0000 ah... I seen that in a few places. Do you put that code out? I lost a copy of the moo, and, would like the menu thingy, if possible... or just some tips on how to make it... Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason" To: "General MOO discussion." Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] menu? > Hi Tyler, > If I'm not mistaken, you're thinking of the menu verb I wrote on my own MOO. > That was not in the standard LambdaCore DB. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tyler" > To: "General MOO discussion." > Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 12:56 PM > Subject: [Moo-cows] menu? > > > > Hay, > > Wasn't there a menu command? that would display a menu of choices, based > > on > > a list passed to the function, and return the number the user pressed? > > Anyone know where this one is located? I have searched, and haven't found > > anything! > > Thanks, > > Tyler Littlefield. > > Check out our website: > > http://tysplace.the-leetest.net > > check out my blog: > > livejournal.com/~tylerrl > > [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] > > [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Moo-cows mailing list > > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: 12/16/2005 > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: 12/16/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > Moo-cows mailing list > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows From jhsw1@mn.rr.com Sat Dec 17 20:59:11 2005 Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBI2x6Vs008922 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:59:07 -0600 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (CPE-65-25-250-152.mn.res.rr.com [65.25.250.152]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id jBI2vHZ7023458 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:57:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.371 [267.14.1/206]); Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:59:01 -0600 Message-ID: <000801c6037e$ffbcbe40$6500a8c0@dellsrv> From: "Jason" To: "General MOO discussion." References: <000d01c6033b$a05e82a0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <000301c6034d$f67cb190$6500a8c0@dellsrv> <001201c60378$6f3d8760$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] menu? Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:59:01 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 02:59:12 -0000 #56:menu this none this {o, ?rm = 0} = args; n = 0; for opt in (o) if ($string_utils:left(opt, -1) == "_") player:tell($string_utils:strip_chars(opt, "_")); else n = n + 1; player:tell("[", tostr(n), "] ", opt); endif endfor if (rm == 3) return; endif player:tell("Enter your selection:"); if (rm == 2) r = read(); else r = $command_utils:read(); endif r = toint(r); if (r <= 0 || r > n) player:tell("Invalid selection."); return; else return r; endif O is a list containing strings which are the options you want in the menu. If one of them begins with an underline character (_), It will be displayed like a heading. RM is the read method. If read method is a 1, it will get the user's response with the basic read() builtin. If it is 2, it will call $command_utils:read() and that verb will then display some additional instructions and then wait for input. If it is 3, it won't do anything else. This could be useful if you wanted to display a menu in a store, for example. You could list the items and their costs and then exit the menu verb., and have another verb that would let the user purchase the item they want. ----- Original Message ----- From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] menu? > ah... I seen that in a few places. Do you put that code out? I lost a copy > of the moo, and, would like the menu thingy, if possible... or just some > tips on how to make it... > Tyler Littlefield. > Check out our website: > http://tysplace.the-leetest.net > check out my blog: > livejournal.com/~tylerrl > [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] > [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jason" > To: "General MOO discussion." > Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 1:08 PM > Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] menu? > > >> Hi Tyler, >> If I'm not mistaken, you're thinking of the menu verb I wrote on my own > MOO. >> That was not in the standard LambdaCore DB. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "tyler" >> To: "General MOO discussion." >> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 12:56 PM >> Subject: [Moo-cows] menu? >> >> >> > Hay, >> > Wasn't there a menu command? that would display a menu of choices, >> > based >> > on >> > a list passed to the function, and return the number the user pressed? >> > Anyone know where this one is located? I have searched, and haven't > found >> > anything! >> > Thanks, >> > Tyler Littlefield. >> > Check out our website: >> > http://tysplace.the-leetest.net >> > check out my blog: >> > livejournal.com/~tylerrl >> > [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] >> > [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Moo-cows mailing list >> > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com >> > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: > 12/16/2005 >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: >> 12/16/2005 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moo-cows mailing list >> Moo-cows@moo-cows.com >> http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows > > _______________________________________________ > Moo-cows mailing list > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: 12/16/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: 12/16/2005 From jhsw1@mn.rr.com Sat Dec 17 21:03:03 2005 Received: from ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.116]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBI3309B009884 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:03:00 -0600 Received: from dellsrv (CPE-65-25-250-152.mn.res.rr.com [65.25.250.152]) by ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id jBI32u9u011266 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:02:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.371 [267.14.1/206]); Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:02:55 -0600 Message-ID: <000c01c6037f$8b2f4a60$6500a8c0@dellsrv> From: "Jason" To: "General MOO discussion." References: <000d01c6033b$a05e82a0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <000301c6034d$f67cb190$6500a8c0@dellsrv> <001201c60378$6f3d8760$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <000801c6037e$ffbcbe40$6500a8c0@dellsrv> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] menu? Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:02:55 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 03:03:05 -0000 Whoops.. if RM is one it'll call $command_utils:read() and if RM it is 2 it'll call read(), not the other way around. Heh. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason" To: "General MOO discussion." Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] menu? > #56:menu this none this > {o, ?rm = 0} = args; > n = 0; > for opt in (o) > if ($string_utils:left(opt, -1) == "_") > player:tell($string_utils:strip_chars(opt, "_")); > else > n = n + 1; > player:tell("[", tostr(n), "] ", opt); > endif > endfor > if (rm == 3) > return; > endif > player:tell("Enter your selection:"); > if (rm == 2) > r = read(); > else > r = $command_utils:read(); > endif > r = toint(r); > if (r <= 0 || r > n) > player:tell("Invalid selection."); > return; > else > return r; > endif > > > > O is a list containing strings which are the options you want in the menu. > If one of them begins with an underline character (_), It will be > displayed like a heading. RM is the read method. If read method is a 1, it > will get the user's response with the basic read() builtin. If it is 2, it > will call $command_utils:read() and that verb will then display some > additional instructions and then wait for input. If it is 3, it won't do > anything else. This could be useful if you wanted to display a menu in a > store, for example. You could list the items and their costs and then exit > the menu verb., and have another verb that would let the user purchase the > item they want. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tyler" > To: "General MOO discussion." > Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 8:12 PM > Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] menu? > > >> ah... I seen that in a few places. Do you put that code out? I lost a >> copy >> of the moo, and, would like the menu thingy, if possible... or just some >> tips on how to make it... >> Tyler Littlefield. >> Check out our website: >> http://tysplace.the-leetest.net >> check out my blog: >> livejournal.com/~tylerrl >> [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] >> [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jason" >> To: "General MOO discussion." >> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 1:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] menu? >> >> >>> Hi Tyler, >>> If I'm not mistaken, you're thinking of the menu verb I wrote on my own >> MOO. >>> That was not in the standard LambdaCore DB. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "tyler" >>> To: "General MOO discussion." >>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 12:56 PM >>> Subject: [Moo-cows] menu? >>> >>> >>> > Hay, >>> > Wasn't there a menu command? that would display a menu of choices, >>> > based >>> > on >>> > a list passed to the function, and return the number the user pressed? >>> > Anyone know where this one is located? I have searched, and haven't >> found >>> > anything! >>> > Thanks, >>> > Tyler Littlefield. >>> > Check out our website: >>> > http://tysplace.the-leetest.net >>> > check out my blog: >>> > livejournal.com/~tylerrl >>> > [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] >>> > [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Moo-cows mailing list >>> > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com >>> > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > No virus found in this incoming message. >>> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: >> 12/16/2005 >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: >>> 12/16/2005 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moo-cows mailing list >>> Moo-cows@moo-cows.com >>> http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moo-cows mailing list >> Moo-cows@moo-cows.com >> http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: >> 12/16/2005 >> >> > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: 12/16/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > Moo-cows mailing list > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: 12/16/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: 12/16/2005 From compgeek13@gmail.com Sat Dec 17 21:22:38 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBI3MYSR011712 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:22:34 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-1.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 338205498 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:22:33 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c60382$48a34810$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." References: <000d01c6033b$a05e82a0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg><000301c6034d$f67cb190$6500a8c0@dellsrv><001201c60378$6f3d8760$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> <000801c6037e$ffbcbe40$6500a8c0@dellsrv> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] menu? Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:22:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 03:22:40 -0000 awesome! thanks! Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason" To: "General MOO discussion." Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] menu? > #56:menu this none this > {o, ?rm = 0} = args; > n = 0; > for opt in (o) > if ($string_utils:left(opt, -1) == "_") > player:tell($string_utils:strip_chars(opt, "_")); > else > n = n + 1; > player:tell("[", tostr(n), "] ", opt); > endif > endfor > if (rm == 3) > return; > endif > player:tell("Enter your selection:"); > if (rm == 2) > r = read(); > else > r = $command_utils:read(); > endif > r = toint(r); > if (r <= 0 || r > n) > player:tell("Invalid selection."); > return; > else > return r; > endif > > > > O is a list containing strings which are the options you want in the menu. > If one of them begins with an underline character (_), It will be displayed > like a heading. RM is the read method. If read method is a 1, it will get > the user's response with the basic read() builtin. If it is 2, it will call > $command_utils:read() and that verb will then display some additional > instructions and then wait for input. If it is 3, it won't do anything else. > This could be useful if you wanted to display a menu in a store, for > example. You could list the items and their costs and then exit the menu > verb., and have another verb that would let the user purchase the item they > want. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tyler" > To: "General MOO discussion." > Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 8:12 PM > Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] menu? > > > > ah... I seen that in a few places. Do you put that code out? I lost a copy > > of the moo, and, would like the menu thingy, if possible... or just some > > tips on how to make it... > > Tyler Littlefield. > > Check out our website: > > http://tysplace.the-leetest.net > > check out my blog: > > livejournal.com/~tylerrl > > [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] > > [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jason" > > To: "General MOO discussion." > > Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 1:08 PM > > Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] menu? > > > > > >> Hi Tyler, > >> If I'm not mistaken, you're thinking of the menu verb I wrote on my own > > MOO. > >> That was not in the standard LambdaCore DB. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "tyler" > >> To: "General MOO discussion." > >> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 12:56 PM > >> Subject: [Moo-cows] menu? > >> > >> > >> > Hay, > >> > Wasn't there a menu command? that would display a menu of choices, > >> > based > >> > on > >> > a list passed to the function, and return the number the user pressed? > >> > Anyone know where this one is located? I have searched, and haven't > > found > >> > anything! > >> > Thanks, > >> > Tyler Littlefield. > >> > Check out our website: > >> > http://tysplace.the-leetest.net > >> > check out my blog: > >> > livejournal.com/~tylerrl > >> > [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] > >> > [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Moo-cows mailing list > >> > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > >> > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. > >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: > > 12/16/2005 > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this outgoing message. > >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: > >> 12/16/2005 > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Moo-cows mailing list > >> Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > >> http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Moo-cows mailing list > > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: 12/16/2005 > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: 12/16/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > Moo-cows mailing list > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows From compgeek13@gmail.com Sat Dec 17 21:23:17 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBI3NFHW011798 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:23:15 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-3.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 127061483 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:23:15 -0700 Message-ID: <001601c60382$616ddea0$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:23:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [Moo-cows] help with setting gender? X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 03:23:18 -0000 Hay everyone, I did: this:set_gender("male"); in a verb, and it didn't do anything. Any ideas? Thanks, Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] From compgeek13@gmail.com Sat Dec 17 21:40:49 2005 Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBI3elS2013520 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:40:47 -0600 Received: from [69.146.198.44] (HELO dataplus4puarg) by fe-2.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with SMTP id 256153305 for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:40:46 -0700 Message-ID: <001801c60384$d41dd890$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> From: "tyler" To: "General MOO discussion." Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:40:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [Moo-cows] help with a really perplexing forked error X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 03:40:50 -0000 Hay, I just did the following: @forked and I get the following errors.. can someone tell me why? it just says line 31: incorrect number of arguments, but only when I have a task running. Also, I have created an idle verb, it will suspend for four seconds, then execute the isidle verb again, but it won't stay executing, any ideas? Thanks, Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] From compgeek13@gmail.com Thu Dec 22 22:00:23 2005 Received: from nsfone.fone.net (mx2.fone.net [206.168.68.96]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBN40KQw020049 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:00:20 -0600 Received: from mail2.fone.net (mail2.fone.net [206.168.68.165]) by nsfone.fone.net (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jBN3wbM8029921 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:58:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from grandmasfury (ftcw30.ftc.fone.net [207.174.192.34]) by mail2.fone.net (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with SMTP id jBN3wvJi021944 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:59:00 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <002c01c60775$6ba6f630$6501a8c0@grandmasfury> From: "Tyler Littlefield" To: Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:00:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01C6073A.BBF4FB90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.1.128075, Antispam-Engine: 2.1.0.0, Antispam-Data: 2005.12.22.37 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [Moo-cows] help with server? X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 04:00:23 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C6073A.BBF4FB90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hay list, I have just gotten my server up and running on linux. Now, for some = weird reason, on a fresh database, on my first time logging in. When I = connect I see the following: #10:?, line 6: Verb not found ... called from #0:do_login_command, line 20 graphic 109=20 (End of traceback) and then I see the welcome message again. When I log in and do @d $login: Login Commands (#10) [ readable ] Child of Root Class (#1). Verb not found graphic 470 ** no such verb, "0" ** Verb not found ** no such verb, "1" ** Verb not found graphic 470 ** no such verb, "2" ** Verb not found ** no such verb, "3" ** Verb not found graphic 470 ** no such verb, "4" ** Verb not found ** no such verb, "5" ** Verb not found graphic 470 ** no such verb, "6" ** Verb not found ** no such verb, "7" ** Verb not found graphic 470 ** no such verb, "8" ** Verb not found ** no such verb, "9" ** graphic 325 Verb not found graphic 109 ** no = such verb, "10" **=20 Sorry for all the weird stuff. Does anyone know what is wrong with this? Thanks, ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C6073A.BBF4FB90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hay list,
I have just gotten my server up and = running on=20 linux. Now, for some weird reason, on a fresh database, on my first time = logging=20 in. When I connect I see the following:
#10:?, line 6:  Verb not = found
... called=20 from #0:do_login_command, line 20 graphic 109
(End of=20 traceback)
and then I see the welcome message=20 again.
When I log in and do @d = $login:
Login Commands (#10) [ readable = ]
  Child=20 of Root Class (#1).
Verb not found graphic 470   ** no such = verb,=20 "0" **
Verb not found
  ** no such verb, "1" **
Verb not = found=20 graphic 470   ** no such verb, "2" **
Verb not = found
  **=20 no such verb, "3" **
Verb not found graphic 470   ** no = such verb,=20 "4" **
Verb not found
  ** no such verb, "5" **
Verb not = found=20 graphic 470   ** no such verb, "6" **
Verb not = found
  **=20 no such verb, "7" **
Verb not found graphic 470   ** no = such verb,=20 "8" **
Verb not found
  ** no such verb, "9" ** graphic 325 = Verb not=20 found graphic 109   ** no such verb, "10" **
Sorry for all the weird = stuff.
Does anyone know what is wrong with=20 this?
Thanks,
 
------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C6073A.BBF4FB90-- From neil.fraser@gmail.com Fri Dec 23 07:05:58 2005 Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.202]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBND5rC6022988 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:05:54 -0600 Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id o60so190962nfa for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 05:05:52 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gWKn9mQV4qQxFjanoMcpSo58Tn0BO6o0NFgKNfqbWpj5lUYfeVWdLyUFv3p7QH5IcboVM1xTHSV5o2rpreC6mZCZeDqpK9EWzOdI7ExYXmtKk3LoSuZm/8uGdh+x8XorT3wTcCPswNgh48oO99/581OPhoCoeXwzoCzlx7id0i8= Received: by 10.49.68.6 with SMTP id v6mr78361nfk; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 05:05:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.34.20 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 05:05:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <416401b00512230505j76e943dcy@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:05:52 -0500 From: Neil Fraser To: "General MOO discussion." Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with server? In-Reply-To: <002c01c60775$6ba6f630$6501a8c0@grandmasfury> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <002c01c60775$6ba6f630$6501a8c0@grandmasfury> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by new.cgi101.com id jBND5rC6022988 X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:05:58 -0000 On 22/12/05, Tyler Littlefield wrote: > I have just gotten my server up and running on linux. Now, for some weird > reason, on a fresh database, on my first time logging in. When I connect I > see the following: > #10:?, line 6: Verb not found Try setting $server_options.support_numeric_verbname_strings to 1 http://files.moo.ca/1/1/7/ProgrammersManual_76.html -- Neil Fraser, Programmer & Wizard http://neil.fraser.name From neil.fraser@gmail.com Fri Dec 23 08:37:23 2005 Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.201]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBNEbI2p002011 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:37:19 -0600 Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id o60so196609nfa for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 06:37:18 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BPiyr/dKf/DYyR7OSfmcoyGHOL6m0kflNBfdAA+SQ8/TvTVgkudVlaOhxOnTqWovojZ565epRtjkcN9k9uKvCB9mMV6Z/sGHw97FyGGaQiM+3BhKA/xxSSw2nB4uL27hPnDYajYgwPyn4/TPLQYAgQkXo8bFwdLvIHmBMVbH/7Q= Received: by 10.48.202.12 with SMTP id z12mr142314nff; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 06:37:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.34.20 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 06:37:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <416401b00512230637u7a64b8a3t@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:37:17 -0500 From: Neil Fraser To: "General MOO discussion." Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with a really perplexing forked error In-Reply-To: <001801c60384$d41dd890$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <001801c60384$d41dd890$2cc69245@dataplus4puarg> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by new.cgi101.com id jBNEbI2p002011 X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:37:24 -0000 On 17/12/05, tyler wrote: > it just says line 31: incorrect number of arguments, Maybe you could tell us what line 31 says? -- Neil Fraser, Programmer & Wizard http://neil.fraser.name From compgeek13@gmail.com Fri Dec 23 09:53:56 2005 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.207]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBNFrmt9013156 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:53:48 -0600 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id n29so848006nzf for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:53:47 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:subject:date:organization:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=AcnHhyLpd8GzJKfpoFeQL7RugmatYtT4b36TlkUNVboY9PitFUBGdQAwSVK82lUsqVpTCiFqlWC9mgv7DavRdvLEeXaxmKCqMOMMNYgDmjrGU+O86DFP14rmvXnVNS7geWCYa5B3zL7u2d3GAebDqM/4m77T6PwdaeOn1DbuFdI= Received: by 10.36.227.70 with SMTP id z70mr98656nzg; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:53:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from tyler ( [207.174.192.34]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id e1sm2348583nzd.2005.12.23.07.53.46; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:53:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <008b01c607d8$c6655d60$6601a8c0@tyler> From: "tyler littlefield" To: "General MOO discussion." References: <002c01c60775$6ba6f630$6501a8c0@grandmasfury> <416401b00512230505j76e943dcy@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with server? Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:51:43 -0700 Organization: dataplus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: tyler littlefield , "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:53:57 -0000 awesome, it worked. Can you explain why I had to do this? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Fraser" To: "General MOO discussion." Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 6:05 AM Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with server? > On 22/12/05, Tyler Littlefield wrote: > > I have just gotten my server up and running on linux. Now, for some weird > > reason, on a fresh database, on my first time logging in. When I connect I > > see the following: > > #10:?, line 6: Verb not found > > Try setting $server_options.support_numeric_verbname_strings to 1 > > http://files.moo.ca/1/1/7/ProgrammersManual_76.html > > -- > Neil Fraser, Programmer & Wizard > http://neil.fraser.name > > _______________________________________________ > Moo-cows mailing list > Moo-cows@moo-cows.com > http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows From neil.fraser@gmail.com Fri Dec 23 10:26:25 2005 Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.198]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBNGQL7E017580 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:26:22 -0600 Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id o60so203473nfa for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:26:21 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=O++V9ozE5FExIENH8rVw3XZgdkZQa6ZGIXsWTxSkDvwzrxLZqttYSFeSMKY1y/073u1rz1SdoUkvMoBOTHJJwERylpRmwRaRC2neaRqNLIT2MknxN1o3EpODOMeUST4jrWljofZZXgJFDcoYVtHNUWzl+eXJd6y6h8GTRZPIaqw= Received: by 10.48.3.13 with SMTP id 13mr147514nfc; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:26:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.34.20 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:26:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <416401b00512230826t38b08bceq@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:26:20 -0500 From: Neil Fraser To: tyler littlefield , "General MOO discussion." Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with server? In-Reply-To: <008b01c607d8$c6655d60$6601a8c0@tyler> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <002c01c60775$6ba6f630$6501a8c0@grandmasfury> <416401b00512230505j76e943dcy@mail.gmail.com> <008b01c607d8$c6655d60$6601a8c0@tyler> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by new.cgi101.com id jBNGQL7E017580 Cc: X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 16:26:25 -0000 On 23/12/05, tyler littlefield wrote: > awesome, it worked. Can you explain why I had to do this? See the historical explanation here: http://files.moo.ca/1/1/7/ProgrammersManual_50.html#IDX70 -- Neil Fraser, Programmer & Wizard http://neil.fraser.name From compgeek13@gmail.com Sun Dec 25 13:57:45 2005 Received: from nsfone.fone.net (mx2.fone.net [206.168.68.96]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBPJvgc4008198 for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 13:57:43 -0600 Received: from mail2.fone.net (mail2.fone.net [206.168.68.165]) by nsfone.fone.net (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jBPJtuw9017620 for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 12:55:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from grandmasfury (ftcw30.ftc.fone.net [207.174.192.34]) by mail2.fone.net (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with SMTP id jBPJuKtF014927 for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 12:56:22 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001601c6098d$81fcb9a0$6501a8c0@grandmasfury> From: "Tyler Littlefield" To: Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 12:57:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C60952.D239F620" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.1.128075, Antispam-Engine: 2.1.0.0, Antispam-Data: 2005.12.25.21 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [Moo-cows] looking for programmers X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 19:57:45 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C60952.D239F620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hay list, I finally got my mud up and running on a stable server. Now, I am just in need of some programmers. If your interested, please email me privately. compgeek13@gmail.com Thanks, ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C60952.D239F620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C60952.D239F620-- From compgeek13@gmail.com Fri Dec 30 10:26:57 2005 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.192]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBUGQOOx009122 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:26:24 -0600 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id n29so2670004nzf for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:26:24 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:reply-to:from:to:subject:date:organization:mime-version:content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=BlFfO6/Mcz27BlKxclBAV5KYh1IsbmS9HRj56TjmFTGek8dSp1LYiBbIlB0XLCxv193UHt7ArQjF8yLacCwvPARzJX88dm4k0jMBgV36DQUNTmPp4TXRz4OffNpaccHLvsfAew4FY9QLGQphMXmQ6ysPhI9Z31TQwbEkSC76c4I= Received: by 10.36.79.16 with SMTP id c16mr7940672nzb; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:26:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from tyler ( [207.174.192.34]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 37sm403755nzf.2005.12.30.08.26.20; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:26:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000d01c60d5d$7fbf4940$6601a8c0@tyler> From: "tyler littlefield" To: "General MOO discussion." Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:24:20 -0700 Organization: dataplus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C60D22.D03AC740" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [Moo-cows] help with a couple functions? X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: tyler littlefield , "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:27:15 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C60D22.D03AC740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hay list, I just wrote a verb, it runs through a for loop, suspends for 1 second, = and then executes the verb that it just ran. After a while, I experience = some serious lag on the server, then I see like, a ton of trace backs, = and an error that says to many verb calls, how do I avoid this? Thanks, ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C60D22.D03AC740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hay list,
I just wrote a verb, it runs through a = for loop,=20 suspends for 1 second, and then executes the verb that it just ran. = After a=20 while, I experience some serious lag on the server, then I see like, a = ton of=20 trace backs, and an error that says to many verb calls, how do I avoid=20 this?
Thanks,
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C60D22.D03AC740-- From neil.fraser@gmail.com Fri Dec 30 10:40:31 2005 Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.198]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBUGeCZs010850 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:40:13 -0600 Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id p46so676816nfa for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:40:12 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ldDEtFmgkxSeZP6jXVm34Pd5XO9fTACbA24krbNTxC16Dg418+OFtFiu4dv0DJACOtwaorVVdmx4bjqtk55cU083GdgqO6jVmZwFZGN1roQI7OBYY+iozYfJIeh1wzSwZH0rGZsDgz6A0h4nA/tLTipJiOz/pEf82q48Bf67WNc= Received: by 10.48.30.19 with SMTP id d19mr414687nfd; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:40:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.34.20 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:40:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <416401b00512300840y3b0020f8h@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:40:11 -0500 From: Neil Fraser To: tyler littlefield , "General MOO discussion." Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with a couple functions? In-Reply-To: <000d01c60d5d$7fbf4940$6601a8c0@tyler> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <000d01c60d5d$7fbf4940$6601a8c0@tyler> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by new.cgi101.com id jBUGeCZs010850 Cc: X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:40:41 -0000 On 30/12/05, tyler littlefield wrote: > I just wrote a verb, it runs through a for loop, suspends for 1 second, and > then executes the verb that it just ran. After a while, I experience some > serious lag on the server, then I see like, a ton of trace backs, and an > error that says to many verb calls, how do I avoid this? A verb calling itself (recursion) isn't a guilt-free operation. Every time you do it, the call stack gets deeper. Do it enough times (50 is the default) and the Moo (like Python) will blow up with E_MAXREC. Sometimes recursion useful when doing things like spidering trees, but in your case you may be better off using a loop. One thing that doesn't make sense is your report of "serious lag". There shouldn't be any lag. So I'm not understanding the full picture. Unless of course exponentially larger data structures are being passed at each step. If this is the case then switching to a loop will get rid of the E_MAXREC tracebacks, but the lag will keep getting worse. -- Neil Fraser, Programmer & Wizard http://neil.fraser.name From tvdijen@planet.nl Fri Dec 30 11:10:27 2005 Received: from smtp13.wxs.nl (smtp13.wxs.nl [195.121.247.4]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBUHANGr014868 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:10:24 -0600 Received: from [10.0.0.100] (ip3e835ea5.speed.planet.nl [62.131.94.165]) by smtp13.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0ISB00DYQMDBYK@smtp13.wxs.nl> for moo-cows@moo-cows.com; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:10:23 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:10:39 +0100 From: Tim van Dijen Subject: Re: [Moo-cows] help with a couple functions? In-reply-to: <416401b00512300840y3b0020f8h@mail.gmail.com> To: "General MOO discussion." Message-id: <43B56A0F.9000508@planet.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) References: <000d01c60d5d$7fbf4940$6601a8c0@tyler> <416401b00512300840y3b0020f8h@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:10:27 -0000 Neil Fraser schreef: >On 30/12/05, tyler littlefield wrote: > > >>I just wrote a verb, it runs through a for loop, suspends for 1 second, and >>then executes the verb that it just ran. After a while, I experience some >>serious lag on the server, then I see like, a ton of trace backs, and an >>error that says to many verb calls, how do I avoid this? >> >> > >A verb calling itself (recursion) isn't a guilt-free operation. Every >time you do it, the call stack gets deeper. Do it enough times (50 is >the default) and the Moo (like Python) will blow up with E_MAXREC. >Sometimes recursion useful when doing things like spidering trees, but >in your case you may be better off using a loop. > >One thing that doesn't make sense is your report of "serious lag". >There shouldn't be any lag. So I'm not understanding the full >picture. Unless of course exponentially larger data structures are >being passed at each step. If this is the case then switching to a >loop will get rid of the E_MAXREC tracebacks, but the lag will keep >getting worse. > >-- >Neil Fraser, Programmer & Wizard >http://neil.fraser.name > >_______________________________________________ >Moo-cows mailing list >Moo-cows@moo-cows.com >http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/moo-cows > > > Your verb should look like this: fork (1) this:(verb)(); endfork From compgeek13@gmail.com Sat Dec 31 01:41:48 2005 Received: from nsfone.fone.net (mx2.fone.net [206.168.68.96]) by new.cgi101.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBV7fhaS021208 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:41:43 -0600 Received: from mail2.fone.net (mail2.fone.net [206.168.68.165]) by nsfone.fone.net (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jBV7fY7f006151 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:41:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from grandmasfury (ftcw30.ftc.fone.net [207.174.192.34]) by mail2.fone.net (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with SMTP id jBV7fX7S016260 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:41:34 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001f01c60ddd$a4f0b610$6501a8c0@grandmasfury> From: "Tyler Littlefield" To: Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:41:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C60DA2.F55B4420" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.1.128075, Antispam-Engine: 2.1.0.0, Antispam-Data: 2005.12.30.45 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [Moo-cows] looking for help? X-BeenThere: moo-cows@moo-cows.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General MOO discussion." List-Id: General MOO discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 07:41:50 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C60DA2.F55B4420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hay list, I have just built some stuff, and I would like it if I could get someone = experienced to help me do some programming on my moo, and to help me do = some debugging. If interested, please let me know. Thanks, ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C60DA2.F55B4420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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If interested, please let me = know.
Thanks,
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